PDR technique instead of drilling for 10 rnd mag

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  • outrider58

    Eats Bacon Raw
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 29, 2014
    49,991
    So they can blame local "gum crime" on out of state purchases!

    I get what you're saying, but I see that as more of a 'fringe benefit' for them that a "clear and present danger".
     

    Bullfrog

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 8, 2009
    15,323
    Carroll County
    Waaaaay too late...

    Augmentation is augmentation. You're going the long way around the barn. What, exactly, is wrong with removing the dimple through standard means, i.e. drilling?

    You say your life will never rely on a properly feeding magazine? Sell that stuff to anyone whose been in a gun fight.

    Plot twist... he's a revolver guy and this trainwreck thread has all been about a hypothetical question. :lol:
     

    Art3

    Eqinsu Ocha
    MDS Supporter
    Jan 30, 2015
    13,317
    Harford County
    I don't have a problem with hashing out stupid hypotheticals on the internet...that's what it's there for, right? :shrug: (other than porn...obviously :rolleye12). Honestly, I'm a little jealous that the OP has time to pursue stupid hypotheticals...apparently even in the real world.


    Officially, I'm still against heat. In addition to potentially changing the temper of the metal, it will also wreck the finish in that area. It would either have to be kept lubed to prevent rust, or coated with something. Finding and properly applying that something in a way that will never drag on the follower may be an entire thread's worth of hypothetical. Maybe graphite paint like EZ Glide?

    However, if you insist on heat, maybe try this to keep it localized: https://www.eastwood.com/ew-anti-heat-compound-1-qt.html For pin-point heat source potentially hotter and more concentrated than oxygen-acetylene, maybe try a light hand with a TIG welder (just the torch, obviously), or go really old school with a carbon arc torch.

    I know the OP doesn't want to drill...but hear me out! How about a very small (like 1/16) hole right in the middle of the dimple before trying to swage it back into shape as a place for the excess/stretched metal to go? I bet it would be completely closed up if you were successful and offer some controlled relief for the displaced metal.
     

    Bullfrog

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 8, 2009
    15,323
    Carroll County
    I don't have a problem with hashing out stupid hypotheticals on the internet...that's what it's there for, right? :shrug: (other than porn...obviously :rolleye12). Honestly, I'm a little jealous that the OP has time to pursue stupid hypotheticals...apparently even in the real world.

    To be clear, I threw out the word hypothetical as a joke to mock those of us (including myself) who have spent time writing multiple responses to this thread.

    OP did not say it was a hypothetical question, not yet anyway.

    Keep in mind that the two concepts - that OP has a magazine he wants to tinker with and that OP will not be relying on said magazine in a life-threatening situation are not mutually exclusive.

    Maybe he has a revolver or shotgun for HD/SD and a semi-auto as a range toy.
     

    Sawney Beane

    Member
    Jun 16, 2021
    8
    You do not understand what the law says and what the possible legal ramifications of violating it are. There have been many detailed discussions of this law and it has been explained by forum members who are lawyers very familiar with firearm laws. You need to do additional research.

    Since you are new perhaps you have not read the Forum Rules if not you should because one of them says:


    Here is a link to the Forum Rules so you can make sure you don't unintentionally violate another one. The Mods keep a close watch and violating them can get you banned, something that has happened to some senior and respected members.
    Link
    https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=56622
    I am not trying to ruffle feathers here. Please take no offence. I am not recommending anyone to do anything illegal. Let's talk. The reality is you could buy a sticked magazine from more than one Maryland dealer tomorrow, legal on his part or not. These are large dealers, one in business for over 50 years. The magazine rack is filled with hi-cap magazines with the bag cut open, sticked and returned to the bag. I understand many dealers would never consider doing this. If I had a firearm business in Maryland, I would not sell them. Ok, I take it home, remove the stick and the result is a hi-cap magazine that is legal for an individual to possess. As you say now I have committed a crime of manufacturing a hi-cap magazine. It seems that my conscience would be the only thing injured here, unless someone watched me make the purchase, followed me home and witnessed the stick removal. I also get the point that this thread was an exercise in metallurgy. To your point, isn't pulling dents or drilling out a dimple itself, illegal too?
     

    Bullfrog

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 8, 2009
    15,323
    Carroll County
    To your point, isn't pulling dents or drilling out a dimple itself, illegal too?

    Multiple people have warned against violating the law in any way. Only your post explicitly condoned it.

    Several recent posts have explained it to you and you don't seem to understand.

    Where are you on this map?
     

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    Blacksmith101

    Grumpy Old Man
    Jun 22, 2012
    22,266
    I am not trying to ruffle feathers here. Please take no offence. I am not recommending anyone to do anything illegal. Let's talk. The reality is you could buy a sticked magazine from more than one Maryland dealer tomorrow, legal on his part or not. These are large dealers, one in business for over 50 years. The magazine rack is filled with hi-cap magazines with the bag cut open, sticked and returned to the bag. I understand many dealers would never consider doing this. If I had a firearm business in Maryland, I would not sell them. Ok, I take it home, remove the stick and the result is a hi-cap magazine that is legal for an individual to possess. As you say now I have committed a crime of manufacturing a hi-cap magazine. It seems that my conscience would be the only thing injured here, unless someone watched me make the purchase, followed me home and witnessed the stick removal. I also get the point that this thread was an exercise in metallurgy. To your point, isn't pulling dents or drilling out a dimple itself, illegal too?

    Outside of Maryland what you do to a magazine is not affected by that law and people were careful in most posts to point out any operations should be done elsewhere. No one is saying selling magazines that are blocked with sticks is illegal, removing the stick is and those magazines that had the stick removed are not legal in Maryland because they were illegally modified "manufactured" in Maryland.

    In addition to your conscience being injured your action would expose you to the possibility of losing your right to own firearms forever. Regardless of your likely hood of getting caught it is still a crime.

    The most important part of this discussion is YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF FORUM RULES and you could be censured or permanently banned from the forum because of it. People here are trying to point out your error and keep you out of trouble because you are new to the forum. The Moderators on this forum run a pretty tight ship which is some of the reason this forum runs so smoothly and they don't have a lot of forgiveness for people who ignore the rules. Listen to the members who are trying to keep you out of trouble or you won't be with us for long. I am done trying to help, reminds me of the 3% Antimony thread.
     

    Pinecone

    Ultimate Member
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    Feb 4, 2013
    28,175
    I mean no disrespect, but this is the silliest way to get a hi-cap mag in Maryland I've ever heard of. Plus ten mags are illegal to sell in Maryland but perfectly legal to possess (for now). For instance there are any number of dealers in our lovely state that sell (legally) 30 round AR mags with a popsicle stick inside limiting it to 10 rounds. If you take the stick out when you get home everything is fine. You can also easily go to Pennsylvania, Delaware or Virginia and fill your trunk with them and bring them home. What am I missing here? The law only applies to DEALERS!

    Not exactly. In that case you would be illegally manufacturing an over 10 round magazine within the state of MD.

    To do this legally, you need to drive across the line into another state and then remove the popsicle stick.
     

    Blaster229

    God loves you, I don't.
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 14, 2010
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    Glen Burnie
    I truly love where this thread has gone and where it's going. I expect nothing less from this gang of misfits. :)
     

    Sawney Beane

    Member
    Jun 16, 2021
    8
    Wow, I have been shooting, casting and reloading since around 1972. I have been a member in good standing of many firearms blogs since hooking up a 2400 baud dialup modem. I have to say that this is blog is the weirdest I've ever encountered. I have never seen people get so twisted up so quickly and can only suppose it's something in the water. You guys remind me of Aunt Pittypat from "Gone with the Wind" with her hair on fire. See you guys and enjoy yourselves, Oh and don't forget to wear those tinfoil hats.
     

    rseymorejr

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    Feb 28, 2011
    26,193
    Harford County
    Wow, I have been shooting, casting and reloading since around 1972. I have been a member in good standing of many firearms blogs since hooking up a 2400 baud dialup modem. I have to say that this is blog is the weirdest I've ever encountered. I have never seen people get so twisted up so quickly and can only suppose it's something in the water. You guys remind me of Aunt Pittypat from "Gone with the Wind" with her hair on fire. See you guys and enjoy yourselves, Oh and don't forget to wear those tinfoil hats.

    It has nothing to do with any of that and everything to do with the goofy ******** maryland gun laws. They are arbitrary and make no sense but they are the laws we have to live with now. What we try to avoid here is talk of breaking those arbitrary ******** laws because moms demand action, the MSP and probably the ATF have people on here just looking for a reason to create problems for maryland gunowners (and gunowners in general) Since we get a lot of brand new gun owners here looking for information we try real hard to fill them in on maryland's arbitrary ******** laws to help them keep out of trouble. Talking in person with people you know is a lot different from posting info on the internet that anyone can see.
     

    outrider58

    Eats Bacon Raw
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    Jul 29, 2014
    49,991
    It has nothing to do with any of that and everything to do with the goofy ******** maryland gun laws. They are arbitrary and make no sense but they are the laws we have to live with now. What we try to avoid here is talk of breaking those arbitrary ******** laws because moms demand action, the MSP and probably the ATF have people on here just looking for a reason to create problems for maryland gunowners (and gunowners in general) Since we get a lot of brand new gun owners here looking for information we try real hard to fill them in on maryland's arbitrary ******** laws to help them keep out of trouble. Talking in person with people you know is a lot different from posting info on the internet that anyone can see.

    Well stated. Hopefully it didn't fall on deaf ears
     

    Threeband

    The M1 Does My Talking
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 30, 2006
    25,304
    Carroll County
    Don't piss off Mammy. She'll lay dat lil' statuette upside yo hay-id. :nono:

    She can be bought off with a crimson petticoat.



    I think the OP already owns 50 or 80 standard cap mags. But that absurd ten-rounder just bugs the shite out of him. It is an offense against nature. It's like Brian Frosch and Beto O'Rourke are laughing at him. Restoring that magazine would restore his honour.

    Of course the best way to do this is to drive to Gettysburg and repair the magazine on video in front of the Maryland monument. It is easily recognizable and proves that the work was done in Pennsylvania. Post the video online for a permanent public record.

    He could even start a You Tube channel in which he travels the Free States of America, restoring magazines in front of famous landmarks: the Alamo, the Grand Canyon, Graceland...

    The Maryland Monument at Gettysburg


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    Blaster229

    God loves you, I don't.
    MDS Supporter
    Sep 14, 2010
    46,560
    Glen Burnie
    Wow, I have been shooting, casting and reloading since around 1972. I have been a member in good standing of many firearms blogs since hooking up a 2400 baud dialup modem. I have to say that this is blog is the weirdest I've ever encountered. I have never seen people get so twisted up so quickly and can only suppose it's something in the water. You guys remind me of Aunt Pittypat from "Gone with the Wind" with her hair on fire. See you guys and enjoy yourselves, Oh and don't forget to wear those tinfoil hats.

    No one cares what you've "been doing since 1972".
    They guy asked about something illegal.
    He could have done whatever he wanted to do without posting it.
    Hell, he could have done it yesterday, we wouldn't know.
    But what we do know about are some of the basic, most ridiculous handgun laws in Maryland. And this one is pretty straight forward.
    And having a nice forum home here (not on 2600 baud) as you bragged about, to advocate or condone something illegal, is "illegal" on the forum. So we get enthusiastic about it.
    So which are you advocating for, cheering him on to do it or not?
     

    Bullfrog

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 8, 2009
    15,323
    Carroll County
    No one cares what you've "been doing since 1972".
    They guy asked about something illegal.
    He could have done whatever he wanted to do without posting it.
    Hell, he could have done it yesterday, we wouldn't know.
    But what we do know about are some of the basic, most ridiculous handgun laws in Maryland. And this one is pretty straight forward.
    And having a nice forum home here (not on 2600 baud) as you bragged about, to advocate or condone something illegal, is "illegal" on the forum. So we get enthusiastic about it.
    So which are you advocating for, cheering him on to do it or not?

    Hmm... simple typo or did something else pop into your head while typing 2400 baud?

    Is Blaster a closet old school hacker? :shrug:
     

    ralph.mclean

    GOC (Grumpy Old Cop)
    Jan 27, 2018
    236
    Edgewater, MD
    For me, I just drive to a neighboring state to buy standard capacity mags. In MD, 10-rounders aren't illegal to possess, just illegal to buy/sell/distribute.
     
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