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  • TheOriginalMexicanBob

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 2, 2017
    33,070
    Sun City West, AZ
    My uncle went ashore in the first wave on Omaha Beach...he was a platoon leader. The only time he ever talked about it was when I asked if he saw "Saving Private Ryan". He looked at me and simply said "That's just Hollywood" and it was obvious that's all he would say on the subject. He did talk about the funnier parts of Army life during the war...he had been in ROTC in high school and when in basic training the Army wanted him to go to officer's school. He said he had already seen the stats on the life expectancy of junior officers in combat so he declined. He then said that about midnight that night when he was cleaning latrines with a toothbrush he decided to rethink that position.

    The last time I saw my uncle before he passed away (in his 90s) he suddenly started talking about his combat experiences...the hedgerows and when he was seriously wounded outside of St. Lo and invalided out of combat.

    When he was wounded it was thought he wouldn't make it so all his personal belongings were sent back to the states. He was unconscious for days...a Catholic Chaplain didn't know what to say over my uncle since he was a Jew as far as last rites. There was a Jewish medic there who volunteered to say Kaddish...or Mourners prayer...over my uncle. As he was saying it my uncle awoke and finished saying it and recovered. Some years later a different uncle was visiting NY for business and while there another said to him he knew someone with the same last name...my Mom's family has a very unique last name...never heard it anywhere else...it turned out to be the medic that saved my other uncle! Strange things happen.

    All four of my mom's brothers served during the war and all saw combat...two in Europe and two in the Pacific...and all four came home. Her family was very fortunate. Only one is left now...and he's another who doesn't talk about his wartime experiences other than he was a loader on a 40mm mount on a destroyer. In a letter to my mom I found after she passed I found he wrote his destroyer was in Tokyo Bay for the surrender and was anchored by a half-sunken Japanese battleship.

    While it's understandable veterans don't like to talk about what they experienced...we've lost a lot of history due to that unwillingness to open up. Such men should be revered and I'm afraid that is lost on many today.
     

    Skipjacks

    Ultimate Member
    My grandfather told me a story of catching a u-boat off the coast of Bermuda during WW2. Plane coming into base at Bermuda saw 5 subs in a formation. US only had 4 in the area, then the games began, Whole sub and crew without a shot fired.

    There are A LOT of those stories out there

    And they aren't well told. Most people in America have no idea that both the Nazis and the Japanese tried to bring the war to our shores
     

    TheOriginalMexicanBob

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 2, 2017
    33,070
    Sun City West, AZ
    There are A LOT of those stories out there

    And they aren't well told. Most people in America have no idea that both the Nazis and the Japanese tried to bring the war to our shores

    All too many today don't realize the Nazis are here and well organized and well financed...under the names ANTIFA and BLM.

    The poor state of education today...particularly history, economics and political science is so deplorable.
     

    BigRick

    Hooligan #15
    Aug 7, 2012
    1,141
    Southern Maryland
    I have a friend that was injured in Vietnam. You could obviously see the damage to his leg. I asked him 1 day what happened all he said was got hit by a bullet. Nothing more nothing less. I could tell by the look on his face he wanted nothing to do with those thoughts. I Never asked him about anything about his service ever again. He is a great guy just could tell he didn't want to go there and I respect that!
     

    TheOriginalMexicanBob

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 2, 2017
    33,070
    Sun City West, AZ
    Most of Antifa doesn't understand their own connection with the bad guys if history

    Absolutely. My step-daughter and her husband support both BLM and Antifa...they didn't like it when I explained what fascism is and that is a leftist form of government and economics. My son-in-law didn't know that "Nazi" was the abbreviation of "National Socialism" and that Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist Workers Party.

    Unfortunately they've drank the Kool-Aid so much it didn't register.
     

    Skipjacks

    Ultimate Member
    Absolutely. My step-daughter and her husband support both BLM and Antifa...they didn't like it when I explained what fascism is and that is a leftist form of government and economics. My son-in-law didn't know that "Nazi" was the abbreviation of "National Socialism" and that Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist Workers Party.

    Unfortunately they've drank the Kool-Aid so much it didn't register.

    You clearly just don't understand how those Nazis are anti Nazi and if you show that modern Nazis are doing the same stuff as old Nazis then that makes you a Nazi! But not the good kind of Nazi. You are the bad kind of Nazis who need the good Nazis to stop you.

    Did I clarify this for you? I would send you to antifa . com for more information but I think that still links to Joe Biden's page
     

    gremlin42

    Active Member
    Apr 16, 2020
    696
    variable
    My uncle went ashore in the first wave on Omaha Beach...he was a platoon leader. The only time he ever talked about it was when I asked if he saw "Saving Private Ryan". He looked at me and simply said "That's just Hollywood" and it was obvious that's all he would say on the subject. He did talk about the funnier parts of Army life during the war...he had been in ROTC in high school and when in basic training the Army wanted him to go to officer's school. He said he had already seen the stats on the life expectancy of junior officers in combat so he declined. He then said that about midnight that night when he was cleaning latrines with a toothbrush he decided to rethink that position.

    The last time I saw my uncle before he passed away (in his 90s) he suddenly started talking about his combat experiences...the hedgerows and when he was seriously wounded outside of St. Lo and invalided out of combat.

    When he was wounded it was thought he wouldn't make it so all his personal belongings were sent back to the states. He was unconscious for days...a Catholic Chaplain didn't know what to say over my uncle since he was a Jew as far as last rites. There was a Jewish medic there who volunteered to say Kaddish...or Mourners prayer...over my uncle. As he was saying it my uncle awoke and finished saying it and recovered. Some years later a different uncle was visiting NY for business and while there another said to him he knew someone with the same last name...my Mom's family has a very unique last name...never heard it anywhere else...it turned out to be the medic that saved my other uncle! Strange things happen.

    All four of my mom's brothers served during the war and all saw combat...two in Europe and two in the Pacific...and all four came home. Her family was very fortunate. Only one is left now...and he's another who doesn't talk about his wartime experiences other than he was a loader on a 40mm mount on a destroyer. In a letter to my mom I found after she passed I found he wrote his destroyer was in Tokyo Bay for the surrender and was anchored by a half-sunken Japanese battleship.

    While it's understandable veterans don't like to talk about what they experienced...we've lost a lot of history due to that unwillingness to open up. Such men should be revered and I'm afraid that is lost on many today.

    My father lost a leg in northern France in 1945 to a Schu-mine. He never talked about it and I didn’t hear the whole story until I was in my 20s. He did talk to my cousin about his experiences after that cousin lost both legs in Afghanistan. He always tended to avoid situations where attention was being put on vets. I remember asking if he wanted to see Saving Private Ryan and he didn’t want to bc “the whole premise is ****ing stupid” - I suspected maybe it’s bc he heard about vets having a rough time seeing it in the theater. (Although in hindsight I think the movie was overrated for several reasons).

    The few times I’ve heard him talk about the war it’s been a good reminder to stop feeling sorry for myself about whatever lame first world problem I might be dealing with.
     

    gremlin42

    Active Member
    Apr 16, 2020
    696
    variable
    Absolutely. My step-daughter and her husband support both BLM and Antifa...they didn't like it when I explained what fascism is and that is a leftist form of government and economics. My son-in-law didn't know that "Nazi" was the abbreviation of "National Socialism" and that Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist Workers Party.

    Unfortunately they've drank the Kool-Aid so much it didn't register.

    That’s a complicated debate that will never end. The closest thing I’ve read to a consensus from historians is fascism combined the worst aspects of the left and right. The nazis fought the communists in Germany but incorporated state control of the economy. But the extreme nationalism is more of a far right wing thing. Also a good example of why the left-right spectrum doesn’t really hold up and is too simplistic. Fascists and communists have totalitarianism in common and that’s what everyone in a liberal (classical sense) society should oppose.
     

    welder516

    Deplorable Welder
    MDS Supporter
    Jun 8, 2013
    27,460
    Underground Bunker
    Men of war talk to other men of war , there are some things that are left better unsaid . If i was in a chat room or a ballroom and someone walked up to me and told me all the cool battles they were in i would not believe a word . The code of ethics would not approve of such a braggart .

    I almost believe in the OP delivery his "service" was the real message and his 2A stance was secondary and maybe he thought he was smart , because most liberals think they are smarter
     

    dblas

    Past President, MSI
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 6, 2011
    13,109
    There are A LOT of those stories out there

    And they aren't well told. Most people in America have no idea that both the Nazis and the Japanese tried to bring the war to our shores

    My grandfather, like most, never really talked about the "business" side of serving during war time. But damn did he have stories about his time up at Aberdeen, in peace time.

    Likewise, he never talked about his time attached to graves registration and escort duties.
     

    dblas

    Past President, MSI
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 6, 2011
    13,109
    All too many today don't realize the Nazis are here and well organized and well financed...under the names ANTIFA and BLM.

    The poor state of education today...particularly history, economics and political science is so deplorable.

    The Navaho and others have it right, story tellers and pass things down from one generation to the other by the spoken word.
     

    rambling_one

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Oct 19, 2007
    6,757
    Bowie, MD
    It's been some time since I visited the National Archives but when I did, you could walk around the main area and see an explanation of the Constitution...and it clearly states that the first ten amendments to the Constitution (the Bill of Rights) were all individual rights...not collective rights.

    And yet, the 2A was a “collective“ right until not that long ago (sigh)..
     

    Glaron

    Camp pureblood 13R
    BANNED!!!
    MDS Supporter
    Mar 20, 2013
    12,752
    Virginia
    My grandfather, like most, never really talked about the "business" side of serving during war time. But damn did he have stories about his time up at Aberdeen, in peace time.

    Likewise, he never talked about his time attached to graves registration and escort duties.

    I posted my Great Uncles memoir here. His ending should have said it...
     

    JoeRinMD

    Rifleman
    Jul 18, 2008
    2,014
    AA County
    And yet, the 2A was a “collective“ right until not that long ago (sigh)..

    Yes, the antis were pushing that specious argument for decades. We should be eternally grateful to Judge Scalia for driving a stake through the heart of that lie, and explicitly stating in Heller that, like all the other rights in the BOR, the right to bear arms is an individual right. Unfortunately, even though Heller dates to 2008, they are still trying to push that reading, as evidenced by our dearly departed OP...'cause it supports their agenda.

    JoeR
     

    Bob A

    όυ φροντισ
    MDS Supporter
    Patriot Picket
    Nov 11, 2009
    30,970
    Yes, the antis were pushing that specious argument for decades. We should be eternally grateful to Judge Scalia for driving a stake through the heart of that lie, and explicitly stating in Heller that, like all the other rights in the BOR, the right to bear arms is an individual right. Unfortunately, even though Heller dates to 2008, they are still trying to push that reading, as evidenced by our dearly departed OP...'cause it supports their agenda.

    JoeR

    It's really a shame that Scalia's family nixed an autopsy. If his death was shown to have been a homicide, we would have had some turmoil, but we wouldn't be in the sorry shape that continues today.
     

    dblas

    Past President, MSI
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 6, 2011
    13,109
    ...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


    I thought Tom, Dick and Harry were people.

    Here is his full statement:

    "The 2nd Amendment in truth was not speaking to every Tom, Dick, and Harry having a firearm. It spoke specifically of a Well Regulated Militia, and their right to keep and bear arms."

    And while he was wrong in his belief that it only applied to those in a militia, he wasn't too far on the first part, if Tom, Dick, and Harry were slaves, indentured servants, or indigenous people, at the time of the writing. Just a point of fact from history, and by no means agreeing with the jackwagon or defending his comment.
     

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