Here we go again. Anti hunting/Anti gun horse farmer neighbor tresspassing
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Since the barn is "other building" you could get into trouble if you are within 150 yards of that barn AND there are human occupants in the barn at the time you shoot.
From Fab's post #24 yesterday when he posted the setback regs.
This is where the Lady from the UK may have you by the short hairs if things get ugly.
From Fab's post #24 yesterday when he posted the setback regs.
This is where the Lady from the UK may have you by the short hairs if things get ugly.
This. There is no set-back regulation for property lines. You can be right up against the property line if you want.
I think the best solution (would have been) to be polite, but firm in your position. Let her know the laws, and that you are within them, and will continue to hunt with respect for her concerns.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
The OP already said that the community itself has an e-mail list. Not sure if I would want to live in such a "community". If somebody has a problem with something I am doing, I would rather discuss it in person than over an e-mail. My neighbors next to me came over to talk about some stuff, and we worked it out without letters, lawyers, etc.
Trade off is no by-laws, association is voluntary. We have a party every year and properties are big enough to hunt. Especially when your non horse-tard neighbors give you permission. This nut doesnt have a leg to stand on. Barn is almost 1,000 yards away. House is further. Doubling up on blue paint and no trespassing signs on Sunday when i should be able to hunt.
The right to polite ended with the immediate threat of litigation as she committed a misdemeanor while trying to dictate how I use my private property.
If her buildings are that far off the line you are good to go then. If it were me I'd hunt on Sunday from that stand, and shoot at something just to hear her complain. I hope you informed her she was trespassing on clearly marked property.
I can't stand it when people try to tell me I can't do something on my property because they don't like it around their property.
Baltimore County so no go.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
Technically, there was one lawyer involved....
lol - was wondering who was going to catch that. The same neighbors went at it with the guy that lives across the street from them. They and a couple other neighbors actually hired an attorney. Granted, what he was doing was a lot worse than what I was doing. They even got the police involved and he ended up doing 30 days for his actions. Long story short, my neighbor knew I am an attorney and tried to enlist my help. Made it clear that I was Switzerland when it came to getting involved with neighbor disputes, but that I sure as hell was not France when it came to me being directly involved. We chatted a little about the subject and I made sure they understood my position on individual property rights and the reason I chose a community without an HOA and without restrictive covenants. With that said, it is very hard to find things nowadays without restrictive covenants, but there are some still out there and there are some covenants that aren't all that restrictive anyway.
I have also seen where some places are kept like a dump. I wouldn't want that to be my neighbor unless I was on a hundred acres.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
If there is an association, you had better look to see if there are any restrictive covenants. Associations are usually formed through restrictive covenants, and the restrictive covenants are not usually voluntary.
Just remember that in these types of wars, the one with the cool head and the deepest pockets usually wins. For instance, if she was my client and she was hell bent on taking it to you, I would instruct her to build a barn right at the corner of her property that is adjacent to your property. Then, on every Saturday during hunting season, I would instruct her to run a mower or tractor right in the corner of her property around that barn and to continually go in and out of it. Something noisy as hell. Of course, that might push the deer to you, or it might not.
Most of the time, honey works better than vinegar, but the cat is out of the bag on this one, so vinegar it will probably be. Just be prepared. Change favors a prepared mind. He who fails to prepare, prepares to fail.
Alan3413
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- Mar 4, 2013
- 17,112
She'll need to keep this up every Saturday during hunting season for as long as she lives there. Otherwise, "Boom! Looks like meat's back on the menu boys."
Hunters are nothing if not patient.
Hunters are nothing if not patient.
Johnthetoolguy
Ultimate Member
OP......Here is a similar situation. Bear with me for a minute here.
I used to volunteer at a horse farm in Crownsville that has at least a dozen horses at any given time. Believe me when I tell you some of these horses can freak out over almost nothing. I was volunteering with the facilities manager when I was there (my wife still volunteers there). There were a few horses that I couldn't get near with a tractor and a few that didnt flinch when I did. They all have different personalities.
This place is 25 acres and is used by a not for profit that does riding for handicapped kids and adults as well as a wounded worrier program. The property was actually donated to the not for profit by the gentleman that owns the property next to it. This person is well known in the community and does a lot for the non profit. Every early goose season this guy (and I guess his friends) hunt on his property. They shoot over a pond that is within 200 yards of the barns.
This person that owns the property next door always gives the farm notice when they are planning a hunt. Of course its always early morning so the horses stay in the barns when this is going on. It's only a couple days a year from what I remember.
There is alot more to the story but I'm not going any farther with it because it's a delicate situation.
I used to volunteer at a horse farm in Crownsville that has at least a dozen horses at any given time. Believe me when I tell you some of these horses can freak out over almost nothing. I was volunteering with the facilities manager when I was there (my wife still volunteers there). There were a few horses that I couldn't get near with a tractor and a few that didnt flinch when I did. They all have different personalities.
This place is 25 acres and is used by a not for profit that does riding for handicapped kids and adults as well as a wounded worrier program. The property was actually donated to the not for profit by the gentleman that owns the property next to it. This person is well known in the community and does a lot for the non profit. Every early goose season this guy (and I guess his friends) hunt on his property. They shoot over a pond that is within 200 yards of the barns.
This person that owns the property next door always gives the farm notice when they are planning a hunt. Of course its always early morning so the horses stay in the barns when this is going on. It's only a couple days a year from what I remember.
There is alot more to the story but I'm not going any farther with it because it's a delicate situation.
shootin the breeze
Missed it by that much
If I’m reading between the lines correctly, it sounds as if the people who were GIFTED the property are mad at the people who GIFTED the property.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
That is how I was reading it too.
Lesson learned, never gift the property outright. Just let them use it. Granted, you get much less of a charitable deduction from it, but you get to goose hunt in peace.
Set up several shooting ranges 151 yards from any building on her property and shoot away everyday.
We had a fella buy 3 acres up from is that connected to our property. He threatened to sue us, called the cops when we shot, called the don’t and reported us as trespassing and shooting deer on his property and he even took a hanging deerstand down and threw it in the run, a good 200 yards from his property line because he “ thought his property went to our run”.
The cops and don’t said we were fine and explained to him that we were more than legal and told him the next time he touched anything on our side of the line he would be arrested for trespassing and they explained game laws and set backs to him but he kept calling until the cops told him to quit it or he would be charged with calling in false reports since he was told several times we were in the right
That prick cost me 10,000 rounds of ammo and many miles of walking driving deer right next to his line just to piss him off, finally he quit calling
It’s hard dealing with assholes who think they own the world, but being nice, IMO, isn’t the way to deal with it
But that’s just me
We had a fella buy 3 acres up from is that connected to our property. He threatened to sue us, called the cops when we shot, called the don’t and reported us as trespassing and shooting deer on his property and he even took a hanging deerstand down and threw it in the run, a good 200 yards from his property line because he “ thought his property went to our run”.
The cops and don’t said we were fine and explained to him that we were more than legal and told him the next time he touched anything on our side of the line he would be arrested for trespassing and they explained game laws and set backs to him but he kept calling until the cops told him to quit it or he would be charged with calling in false reports since he was told several times we were in the right
That prick cost me 10,000 rounds of ammo and many miles of walking driving deer right next to his line just to piss him off, finally he quit calling
It’s hard dealing with assholes who think they own the world, but being nice, IMO, isn’t the way to deal with it
But that’s just me
Wow, a lot of "triggered" responses, I stopped after page 3 fwiw. Reminds me of a news article stating the shooter used a FA shotgun with a deadly sniper scope. Hope y'alls day gets better, back to arfcom & Enos for me.
- Feb 12, 2019
- 56
Love it when people trespass to try and remind you that, in their ill-informed interpretation of statute, you're breaking the law.
- Feb 12, 2019
- 56
Stopped after page 3.... yet here you are
gamer_jim
Podcaster
I haven't dealt with hunting and horse issues but I have dealt with bat-shite crazy neighbors.
What I would do is reply to the email so that it's documented you responded. Explain to the neighbor your side of the story and politely tell them to mind their own business.
I've found that horse people are generally crazy, rich and well connected. She could make a few phone calls to make things difficult for you.
I don't know who the LEO agency would be for this situation (DNR? sheriff?) but if you have a good relationship with them then give them a heads up on this situation. Maybe call them first and let them know you'd like to CC them on this email. That would go a long way in court if the d-bag neighbor tries anything legal.
I'm not a lawyer so maybe i'm talking out of my ass here but i've read a lot. Say you happen to shoot the one day a year and their high-strung thoroughbred goes crazy and brakes through the fence. You might be liable for this if you didn't respond or take other defensive measures (like documented contacting the LEO agency). One thing I've found with dealing with crazy neighbors is to document everything as much as possible. Any interaction with this person needs to be on audio or video. If not, then at least write down in your own words what happened with date and time stamp, preferably with names of witnesses. You might want to get a little body worn camera that has audio and wear it anytime your out there.
I would not move the stands or blinds unless someone from LEO says to.
What I would do is reply to the email so that it's documented you responded. Explain to the neighbor your side of the story and politely tell them to mind their own business.
I've found that horse people are generally crazy, rich and well connected. She could make a few phone calls to make things difficult for you.
I don't know who the LEO agency would be for this situation (DNR? sheriff?) but if you have a good relationship with them then give them a heads up on this situation. Maybe call them first and let them know you'd like to CC them on this email. That would go a long way in court if the d-bag neighbor tries anything legal.
I'm not a lawyer so maybe i'm talking out of my ass here but i've read a lot. Say you happen to shoot the one day a year and their high-strung thoroughbred goes crazy and brakes through the fence. You might be liable for this if you didn't respond or take other defensive measures (like documented contacting the LEO agency). One thing I've found with dealing with crazy neighbors is to document everything as much as possible. Any interaction with this person needs to be on audio or video. If not, then at least write down in your own words what happened with date and time stamp, preferably with names of witnesses. You might want to get a little body worn camera that has audio and wear it anytime your out there.
I would not move the stands or blinds unless someone from LEO says to.
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