Hot off the Press! E forms coming

Bob A · Dec 9, 2021

If this actually comes to pass, bear in mind that there will be a crap ton of new applications from everyone who didn't want to wait a year for their can.

This will result in a wait of about a year to deal with the sudden backlog.

camo556 · Dec 9, 2021

Bob A said:
If this actually comes to pass, bear in mind that there will be a crap ton of new applications from everyone who didn't want to wait a year for their can.

This will result in a wait of about a year to deal with the sudden backlog.

idk. eforms does not take long. paper forms are being typed into eforms on the back end, the wait time seems to be the time to type in the data.

There is already a way to scan the info using a QR code. eforms eliminates a huge unproductive time suck.

Even if there is a surge after Christmas, eforms ought to be able to handle it.

The real issue will be the unfairness of ppl who submitted in Jan getting approved in Feb.

outrider58 · Dec 11, 2021

It's official! Got an email from the alphabet people yesterday espousing its arrival.

Question. If I purchase NFA items as an individual, can I later then enter them into my trust? Would that require all trustees to be photo/finger printed?

inkd · Dec 11, 2021

outrider58 said:
It's official! Got an email from the alphabet people yesterday espousing its arrival.

Question. If I purchase NFA items as an individual, can I later then enter them into my trust? Would that require all trustees to be photo/finger printed?

I was told a couple years ago that to move a non trust item into a trust, you had to submit a new form and pay another $200 for a new stamp.

I never followed up tio find out if that was true or not. If it's not, I'd like to move my SBR into the trust.

outrider58 · Dec 11, 2021

inkd said:
I was told a couple years ago that to move a non trust item into a trust, you had to submit a new form and pay another $200 for a new stamp.

I never followed up tio find out if that was true or not. If it's not, I'd like to move my SBR into the trust.

I guess that kinda makes sense because, in essence, you are transferring from one owner to another.

Bob A · Dec 11, 2021

inkd said:
I was told a couple years ago that to move a non trust item into a trust, you had to submit a new form and pay another $200 for a new stamp.

Yeah, that's the case.

My irst couple NFAs were trusts; took about a year and a half to get the stamp. Cot a couple cans waiting for stamps now; did them as individual, figuring I'd rather have them in hand first, then waste 200 bucks and a year or two later, once I already had the use of them.

outrider58 · Dec 11, 2021

Bob A said:
Yeah, that's the case.

My irst couple NFAs were trusts; took about a year and a half to get the stamp. Cot a couple cans waiting for stamps now; did them as individual, figuring I'd rather have them in hand first, then waste 200 bucks and a year or two later, once I already had the use of them.

That's smart(but I'm not surprised by that

). I will do the same once I dive back in...

94hokie · Dec 11, 2021

Mine are all in my trust from when trusts were easier than individual. All my trust info is saved in my silencer shop account, so if I decide to buy another, I just need to update my fingerprints and photo the same as I would have to do as an individual

ed bernay · Dec 11, 2021

Sounds nice but I fear their end goal is to eventually make semi auto rifles easier to register and search. :tinfoil:

John from MD · Dec 11, 2021

ed bernay said:
Sounds nice but I fear their end goal is to eventually make semi auto rifles easier to register and search.

How are they ever going to find them? Perhaps with scuba gear. :innocent0

outrider58 · Dec 11, 2021

John from MD said:
How are they ever going to find them? Perhaps with scuba gear.

CanDoEZ · Dec 16, 2021

If you are already registered for eFile, check you email. You should have received instructions detailing how to reset your account after the transition outage, and that existing applications should port over to new system.

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smdub · Dec 17, 2021

How do you upload fingerprints to the eform system? All my eform stuff was back before that requirement.

Bertfish · Dec 17, 2021

smdub said:
How do you upload fingerprints to the eform system? All my eform stuff was back before that requirement.

You don't they are mailed in on paper cards

ATF will send you the paper cards free

camo556 · Dec 17, 2021

Bertfish said:
You don't they are mailed in on paper cards

ATF will send you the paper cards free

no. In the new system they let you submit fingerprints electronically for form 4.

smdub said:
How do you upload fingerprints to the eform system? All my eform stuff was back before that requirement.

You would have to scan the fingerprint cards then upload the scanned pdf. My guess is that there is also a minimum resolution you have to scan the cards.

They may have a separate screen for fingerprints, but if not there is an area to upload "additional documents."

Atf says:

Electronic submission of fingerprint cards for ATF Form 4. You will be able to attach your “digital fingerprint cards” to your submission.

Support for larger file attachments. The updated eForms will accept electronic documents up to 30 MB in size.

Just because you are able to, doesn't mean to have to if you don't have a scanner.

Bertfish · Dec 17, 2021

camo556 said:
no. In the new system they let you submit fingerprints electronically for form 4.

You would have to scan the fingerprint cards then upload the scanned pdf. My guess is that there is also a minimum resolution you have to scan the cards.

They may have a separate screen for fingerprints, but if not there is an area to upload "additional documents."

Atf says:

Just because you are able to, doesn't mean to have to if you don't have a scanner.

Shit I didn't see that. I wonder if you'll be able to upload Form 1 prints as well. That's the last annoyance

camo556 · Dec 17, 2021

One would think if they let them for form 4, they would also for form 1. But is the ATF, so logic doesn't apply.

alucard0822 · Dec 17, 2021

camo556 said:
no. In the new system they let you submit fingerprints electronically for form 4.

You would have to scan the fingerprint cards then upload the scanned pdf. My guess is that there is also a minimum resolution you have to scan the cards.

They may have a separate screen for fingerprints, but if not there is an area to upload "additional documents."

Atf says:

Just because you are able to, doesn't mean to have to if you don't have a scanner.

I heard about efile form 4s, but didn't know they were allowing electronic print cards via PDF, that is awesome. I already have them scanned, and have to print them on cardstock at high res and trim them to the correct shape, or pay my NFA gun shop $20 to print a set out for me to mail.

smdub · Dec 17, 2021

camo556 said:
no. In the new system they let you submit fingerprints electronically for form 4.

Atf says:

Electronic submission of fingerprint cards for ATF Form 4. You will be able to attach your “digital fingerprint cards” to your submission.

Click to expand...

Thats what I was asking about when I read the same in the ATF email. I was thinking they might want digital docs direct from the electronic scanners SilencerShop/etc use. (I don't know what file format those are even in or if there is a common standard.) If they'll take scanned prints, thats pretty easy.

rbird7282 · Dec 17, 2021

outrider58 said:
I guess that kinda makes sense because, in essence, you are transferring from one owner to another.

Yep that’s my understanding. I may have one other can I want to get but doing it in the trust would be a pain now because my wife and one other person would need to get fingerprinted.
I guess I could just buy that one as an individual.
Or I could just stop buying more gun stuff lol
Trying to reduce the amount of stuff I have that doesn’t get used a bunch.

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