PCC for Action Shooting

kb830 said:

What is the "usual" PCC for Action shooting?
I don't have one now.
I'm assuming 9mm?
And I'm assuming rifle over a pistol?

So something like the Ruger PC9 19122/19124.
I see the SIG MPX PCC seems to be a really nice rifle, just more $$ than I want to spend right now.

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Occam said:

Big, broad, loaded topic of nearly religious character!. A few thoughts in no particular order:

1) Depends on which action shooting you're talking about. For example, some competitions don't permit PCCs that are overgrown pistols with braces. Events that are more about fun and less about structured league matches/seasons tend to be less fussy and you have more options/amusement.

2) Certainly 9mm is going to be the most common, if for no other reason than (as bad as prices are, for now) that's going to be your least expensive ammo to blaze through a couple hundred at a time on a Saturday morning. It can still knock down steel targets with authority while allowing lightning fast shooting. While I would enjoy having and shooting something of this flavor in .45ACP just for the fun of it, man that would add up fast.

3) It sure helps (again, depending on the match/rules) if the PCC you choose will get along with readily purchased, modestly priced mags that will get you 30 or more rounds per.

Me? I've been thoroughly enjoying a CZ Scorpion Micro (in Maryland, it's a pistol) with a brace. The falling steel match I most often attend is fine with that configuration, and dang it's good wholesome fun. It's got a fancy pants Vortex UH-1 optic on it. The gun's a lot less money than something like the MPX you mentioned, and you can get 35-round Magpul mags for it at very reasonable prices (as well as a large ecosystem of other third-party things like aftermarket safety levers/deletes etc).

At such matches I see a lot of people using AR platform 9mm PCCs, as well as the longer-format variants of the Scorpion. A friend just bought a braced Ruger Charger which he likes a lot. Best bet is going to be visiting a match or three and seeing what people are using - pretty much everybody will at least let you shoulder their rig so you can get a sense of the ergonomics. Some folks prefer a PCC that handles and functions very much like something else they shoot (like the AR platform) so they don't have to have competing sets of muscle memory.

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MEGARMS said:

I know a lot of guys with PCCs - In fact, I recently picked up an MPX Competition myself. While it is nice gun, the jury is still out as to whether or not it justifies it's price tag. The only reason I bought it was because it was one of those right place, right time, right seller who needed money now situations. One thing I can tell you is that it runs like a champ and I am happy about that.

So, back to I know lots of guys with PCCs, most of which are Franken guns. A lot of them run just fine, but more times than not, these guys had to spend a great deal of time and money to figure out the secret sauce in order to get them to cycle properly. I would never say this about an AR15, but if you are gonna do it, and you don't want the hassle, then do yourself a favor and buy a PCC complete from the factory. Otherwise, if you plan to build, do your research and make sure you buy the right combination of parts that are known to work together.

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MEGARMS said:

So, back to I know lots of guys with PCCs, most of which are Franken guns. A lot of them run just fine, but more times than not, these guys had to spend a great deal of time and money to figure out the secret sauce in order to get them to cycle properly. I would never say this about an AR15, but if you are gonna do it, and you don't want the hassle, then do yourself a favor and buy a PCC complete from the factory. Otherwise, if you plan to build, do your research and make sure you buy the right combination of parts that are known to work together.

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gwchem said:

I've never heard a single bad thing about JP pcc's.

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gwchem said:

I've never heard a single bad thing about JP pcc's.

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photoracer said:

While there are a lot of available platforms for PCC a few things are common. While there are some nice factory PCCs, the majority of competitors use some kind of AR-9, JP and Lead Star 2 of the most common. The Ruger PC-9 is actually quite popular, at least among the newer shooters. Tandemkross makes a bunch of speed parts you can use to bring it up the field. For speed shooting getting it to cycle fast is key. Since its a blowback action it does have some recoil. So to speed it up you need some kind of speed buffer system. The 2 most common used are the JP Blitzkrieg or the Taccom 3-stage short stroke. I use the latter in mine. For some shooting sport that do not need to shoot at rifle distances, like Steel Challenge you don't need a fully rifled barrel because LW equals faster transition speed. Companies like Taccom and Wiland make barrels with only 5.5" of rifling followed by around 11" of shroud. Takes a lot of weight off the end of the barrel. I am pretty sure it won't be long before a barrel like this is made for the PC-9. Most guns currently use Glock or Glock-clone mags. A few years earlier it was close between the Glock mag guns and the Colt SMG guns, but now most are Glock. I was already shooting Glocks in competition so it was a no brainer. Its like shooting rimfire with a little more recoil in Steel Challenge. Surprisingly you can shoot it just as fast or almost as fast. I am ranked Master in both in SC at 73 YO. Actually more fun that shooting pistols. For one thing in all competitive shooting sports there are no mag limits in PCC. My biggest holds 56 rounds and sometimes you need that many in a big steel match. Of course that can be an issue for MD residents maybe. That's why I moved to WV a few years ago.

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