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Old March 24th, 2021, 08:27 PM #41
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Nor even a cold one.
We are already there....
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Old March 24th, 2021, 09:07 PM #42
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My simple thoughts go something like this.

The COTUS is the contract that gives the Govt any power at all. If the govt violates the COTUS, it terminates the contract, ends it own legitimate existence, and no one is morally obligated to obey it ever again.



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Old March 24th, 2021, 09:07 PM #43
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It’s a smug question. How’d that work out in Afghanistan? Do you believe every Apache and A-10 pilot/crew will all be on the side of tyrants? Do you think soldiers will all be willing to shoot their neighbors?
The Blue helmets for the win! The UN has been pushing ciizen disarmament all over the planet, and the Dems are all for the UN Arms Treaty.

Something to remember: the 7.62 Tokarev will blow through both sides of a blue helmet, as well as whatever's inside it. Just saying.
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Old March 24th, 2021, 09:20 PM #44
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We knew this when they went en banc in Peruta, to say there was no constitutional right for concealed carry.

Young was looking good until the 9th went en banc again. To say the same thing for open carry.

The SCOTUS will hopefully step in and say some form of carry is covered by the word "bear".
That’s my expectation. That said, my expectations have been shattered before.

But I can’t see the current SCOTUS either passing judgement that the state can’t put some restrictions or preconditions on carrying outside the home. But also I don’t see them letting lower courts rulings stand that the state can, if they want, effectively ban the carrying of a firearm outside the home. Either entirely or only for the most privileged.

Not that anyone here needs the reminder, but HI bans open carry except under extraordinarily strict circumstances (more so than Maryland as you cannot openly carry a long gun except at a range or hunting basically). And concealed carry permits can be issued. However no one has met the standard to be issued one in years if memory serves.

I can see SCOTUS say a state can put “reasonable” conditions on where you can carry and even preconditions to licensing to do it. But I don’t see needing to justify it (may issue) being allowed for both open and concealed carry.
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Because division of power is an illusion and they are all part of the same system.
Chingo, bingo.

Why would the court allow the very means to overthrow it?
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Nice observation. Does that go against the 9th cir. rules of procedure?
It is case law not procedure.
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AK and MT might be pissed at that.
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The en banc U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals issued a 7-4 decision on the ruling.

MAJORITY

Judge Sidney Thomas - appointed by President Bill Clinton

Judge Margaret McKeown - appointed by President Bill Clinton

Judge Kim McLane Wardlaw - appointed by President Bill Clinton

Judge William Fletcher - appointed by President Bill Clinton

Judge Richard Clinton - appointed by President George W Bush

Judge Jay Bybee - appointed by President George W Bush

Judge Michelle Friedland - appointed by President Barack Obama

DISSENT

Judge Diarmuid O'Scannlain - appointed by President Ronald Reagan

Judge Consuelo Callahan - appointed by President George W Bush

Judge Sandra Ikuta - appointed by President George W Bush

Judge Ryan Nelson - appointed by President Donald Trump
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The more I think about it, they simply rewrote Peruta and changed concealed weapons to simply any weapon. Now that they proclaimed that
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It remains as true today as it was centuries ago, that the mere presence of such
weapons [handguns] presents a terror to the public
I would file a lawsuit against every police dept because they obviously terrorize the public by the presence of their handguns.

I went back and looked at Peruta. It is a little hard to follow, but it appears that the Court imposed this argument without the defendants really raising the issue.
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You know who didn't give a sh!t about gun laws? George Washington. Be like George.
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