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Old March 25th, 2021, 12:13 PM #61
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Wow, I'm not sure if a single one of those "issues" makes my list at all. Definitely not in the top 10 or even 20. Yet I still refuse to believe I'm the one that lives in my own little bizarro world.
They are Democrat concerns, not national concerns (independents, republican and everyone else.)
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Back to the main topic, whats the point of it? Is to keep trying to erode our liberties?
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Old March 25th, 2021, 12:25 PM #63
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Wow, I'm not sure if a single one of those "issues" makes my list at all.
That's not how this works. That poll isn't a measurement of what people (Dems in this case) are actually thinking/worried about. The act of asking the questions and showing the results is just the Dem establishment TELLING people what to worry about, even if they previously didn't much care. These polls are instructions, not questions.
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America turning into a socialist country... Trillions of dollars of new national debt... erosion of the bill of rights... bias in main stream media... social media censorship... Sock puppet President...

Didn't see any of those on the list.
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The 9th ruled that Hawaiian tradition trumps the Constitution and the Second Amendment when it comes to carrying a firearms outside of the home...both open and concealed carry. The judges seemed to have forgotten or simply ignored the fact that when Hawaii became a state it had to adopt the United Constitution which trumps all previous laws and traditions.

Based upon that reasoning states that legalized slavery before adoption of the Constitution, the Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment can simply ignore it and continue with legalized indentured servitude. The rule of law lost big time in this decision.
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We are absolutly in a Civil War already. Its a cold civil war right now but they may change very very soon. Biden isnt about to just light a match to throw in the gas he is about to use a flame thrower to spark it off. Or maybe Dragons breath in his beloved 2 shot shotgun
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Jeebus. I just finished the summary section, and I'm at a loss for ... okay, no I'm not.
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After careful review of the history of early English and American regulation of carrying arms openly in the public square, the en banc court concluded that Hawai‘i’s restrictions on the open carrying of firearms reflect longstanding prohibitions,and therefore, the conduct they regulate is outside the historical scope of the Second Amendment.
Absolutely irrelevant. Persistence of an unconstitutional behavior does not make it less so.
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The enbanc court held that the Second Amendment does not guarantee an unfettered, general right to openly carry arms in public for individual self-defense. Accordingly, Hawai‘i’s firearms-carry scheme is lawful.
Uhm ... actually, yes it does. If the 2A was drafted with the intent of owning arms that were to be kept in your residence, the text would read "the right to keep arms shall not be infringed." But it doesn't say that, does it? It says "keep and bear arms." And it does so in an "unfettered" manner, without further qualifications.

Pretty much, your "right" to flail your arms [sic] ends at the tip of my nose. If you're threatening someone, or stealing from him, or inflicting bodily harm, well, we have laws and punishments for such behaviors ... regardless of being in possession of $ARMS or just your meaty paws.

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The 9th ruled that Hawaiian tradition trumps the Constitution and the Second Amendment when it comes to carrying a firearms outside of the home...both open and concealed carry. The judges seemed to have forgotten or simply ignored the fact that when Hawaii became a state it had to adopt the United Constitution which trumps all previous laws and traditions.

Based upon that reasoning states that legalized slavery before adoption of the Constitution, the Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment can simply ignore it and continue with legalized indentured servitude. The rule of law lost big time in this decision.
That is not exactly correct. It certainly was a factor, but the real reason is the belief that police power trumps rights.

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Those restrictions are within the state’s legitimate police powers and are not within the scope of the right protected by Second Amendment. That means that Young’s challenge to Hawai‘i’s restrictions fails at step one of our framework and “may be upheld without further analysis.” Silvester, 843 F.3d at 821
The state's legitimate police power and the Second Amendment address the same thing; public safety. That is not how the case was argued. It looks as if they are two different issues because the 2A is described as a right of self defense whereas the state's police power is about public safety. One is a subset of the other. They cannot be separated. We will continue to lose as long as people continue to argue as if they are separate issues.
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pretty effin sad

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That is not exactly correct. It certainly was a factor, but the real reason is the belief that police power trumps rights.



The state's legitimate police power and the Second Amendment address the same thing; public safety. That is not how the case was argued. It looks as if they are two different issues because the 2A is described as a right of self defense whereas the state's police power is about public safety. One is a subset of the other. They cannot be separated. We will continue to lose as long as people continue to argue as if they are separate issues.
when shit is like that commercial where the guy says the same thing as the first but one did his hand up and down and the other side to side. This minutia crap gets real old. That is why a handshake no longer means what it is supposed to mean. Too many assholes work too hard to skirt things...
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That is not exactly correct. It certainly was a factor, but the real reason is the belief that police power trumps rights.



The state's legitimate police power and the Second Amendment address the same thing; public safety. That is not how the case was argued. It looks as if they are two different issues because the 2A is described as a right of self defense whereas the state's police power is about public safety. One is a subset of the other. They cannot be separated. We will continue to lose as long as people continue to argue as if they are separate issues.
Okaayyyy... disagree that the 2A is about self-defense...

These suits may be making it about self-defense, which you may have a point.

I do see this as a bow shot across the "text and tradition" spoken about when Kav or Gorsuch was confirmed.

Essentially, we don't like guns, so ANY reasoning isn't good enough.
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