Marine infantry getting supressors

KJackson · Dec 30, 2020

I saw this article about the Marine infantry beginning to be issued suppressors. From the article:

"Infantry weapons create an incredible amount of noise on the battlefield, but adding suppressors helps muffle their "audible and visual signature, making it more difficult for the enemy to ascertain their location," Chief Warrant Officer 4 David Tomlinson, MCSC's infantry weapons officer, said in the release."

Anyone want to bet on whether or not this becomes another reason why people will want them banned?

https://www.military.com/daily-news...ing-30000-rifle-suppressors-combat-units.html

Occam · Dec 30, 2020

Weapons of WAOAAOOOAAAR!

TheBert · Dec 30, 2020

Just another piece of equipment that needs to be maintained. They took away the black boots, which required constant attention, now everyone is going to spend a week cleaning the silencer before they turn in their weapon to the armory. I call it justice!

pbharvey · Dec 30, 2020

I don't own a suppressor but I read about people complaining about cleaning them.
How many rounds can you put through one before there's an issue?

benton0311 · Dec 30, 2020

TheBert said:
Just another piece of equipment that needs to be maintained. They took away the black boots, which required constant attention, now everyone is going to spend a week cleaning the silencer before they turn in their weapon to the armory. I call it justice!

20 years overdue in my opinion. There were absolutely situations where we needed suppressors on night patrols and had to effectively write off a dozen or so after somebody getting attacked by wild dogs and firing a shot. Also a few situations of engaging across canals in vegetation or from inside of buildings where they would have been really helpful, not to mention setting up night ambushes on known high-IED areas.

And you really can't compare a functional tool to a decorative uniform item. If you have to maintain a tool because it enhances your performance then so be it, if you have to polish boots so they're extra shiny and the enemy can see you better that's something completely different. I mean maybe they should get rid of those overly-complicated, delicate, light-sensitive NVGs as well.

1/2, one of my old units, did the first test run of mass-issue suppressors about 10 years ago and the results were very positive. From what I understand, they're going to be issued at the company level to be issued out as needed depending on the mission, so it won't be something that the average private is going to constantly have in his kit and maintaining and instead they'll be checked out depending on the mission.

MaxVO2 · Dec 30, 2020

pbharvey said:
I don't own a suppressor but I read about people complaining about cleaning them.
How many rounds can you put through one before there's an issue?

****Like anything... It depends... There are sealed and unsealed suppressors that are more user serviceable than others...

On rimfire - suppressors need to be cleaned very often IME. Mebbe every 500 rounds or less depending upon ammo.. I think most people that write about having to clean often are folks using rimfire (.22lr, etc..) ammo which does not develop the same chamber and suppressor baffle pressure to basically push out most of the junk.

Pistols - it depends on what kind of ammo you shoot (lead ammo, and how hot the loads are..pressure is an issue with fouling IME). Some ammo is just dirty, but non jacketed ammo tends to build up more fouling in some suppressors that may require a more thorough cleaning..

Rifles - centerfire rifles might not need cleaning pretty much ever, depending upon the design of the suppressor. The high chamber pressures and subsequent velocity of gases going through the suppressor literally blasts out almost all fouling. There are sealed and non-sealed suppressors, but the nature of rifle cartridges and modern suppressor tech is such that if they DO get dirty enough to warrant cleaning - a pretty light solvent bath is all that is required unless it is something really exotic. Modern military ball type rifle ammo is not likely to make a well designed suppressor all that dirty - nothing more than easy solvent cleaning wise... Mostly, they are kind of self cleaning with modern ammo...

I would think the military would have done a bunch of testing on all of this and so have factored in maintenance and service life already. It would be interesting to see what will be used out in the field and see the difference between field and armorer serviced equipment with realtion to whatever suppressor tech they decide to use.

Blacksmith101 · Dec 30, 2020

It is a good thing I don't have the OP on my ignore list or I might have missed this. :innocent0

AssMan · Dec 30, 2020

pbharvey said:
I don't own a suppressor but I read about people complaining about cleaning them.
How many rounds can you put through one before there's an issue?

Most rifle suppressors aren't user serviceable.

KJackson · Dec 30, 2020

Blacksmith101 said:
It is a good thing I don't have the OP on my ignore list or I might have missed this.

Nah, you would have seen it if there was someone not ignoring me that saw it and replied.

TheBert · Dec 30, 2020

benton0311 said:
20 years overdue in my opinion. There were absolutely situations where we needed suppressors on night patrols and had to effectively write off a dozen or so after somebody getting attacked by wild dogs and firing a shot. Also a few situations of engaging across canals in vegetation or from inside of buildings where they would have been really helpful, not to mention setting up night ambushes on known high-IED areas.

And you really can't compare a functional tool to a decorative uniform item. If you have to maintain a tool because it enhances your performance then so be it, if you have to polish boots so they're extra shiny and the enemy can see you better that's something completely different. I mean maybe they should get rid of those overly-complicated, delicate, light-sensitive NVGs as well.

1/2, one of my old units, did the first test run of mass-issue suppressors about 10 years ago and the results were very positive. From what I understand, they're going to be issued at the company level to be issued out as needed depending on the mission, so it won't be something that the average private is going to constantly have in his kit and maintaining and instead they'll be checked out depending on the mission.

New Corps vs. Old Corps.

Melnic · Dec 30, 2020

I can imagine if they have to do some work in a town in buildings they would want them.
I also imagine there may be push back cause of the added weight and length it adds?
If they are using 556, it will make it sound more like a 22 but not "silent" or like the 300BLK I have suppressed that sounds like an airsoft and the noise is mostly from the bolt of the gun

I wonder if the lawsuits on the ear protection plugs is driving this?

Doctor_M · Dec 30, 2020

Rimfire suppressors must be cleaned very frequently... center fire rifle very little if ever.

outrider58 · Dec 30, 2020

I thought the Corps was going with the Surefire SOCOMs, which are sealed and very hardy, but maybe not.
Boss's son, a young Marine reservist was just telling me they were all getting new M27, but their designated MGs were the only ones being issued suppressors. He couldn't tell me just yet, what suppressors they were getting.

dist1646 · Dec 30, 2020

Great! Surplus supressors coming in 3, 2, 1...

RegularJay · Dec 30, 2020

And, knowing how the Government works the cost will be $15,000.00 + each

lowoncash · Dec 30, 2020

Is this because those combat earplug things didn't work out so well?

Fox123 · Dec 30, 2020

Not that I ever actually saw him..... My Gunner was pushing for this almost 15 years ago, not only for the reasons mentioned, but for better communication on the squad and fire team level.

jrumann59 · Dec 30, 2020

TheBert said:
Just another piece of equipment that needs to be maintained. They took away the black boots, which required constant attention, now everyone is going to spend a week cleaning the silencer before they turn in their weapon to the armory. I call it justice!

Speaking of maintenance the Army may be relaxing hair standards because they are racist. Dreadlocks will be called "Locs", and african hair may not need to be kept in a tight bun. From what I read it seems US Army is heading towards USAF hair standards. :innocent0

babalou · Dec 30, 2020

hahahaha

Blacksmith101 said:
It is a good thing I don't have the OP on my ignore list or I might have missed this.

awesome. lol

Jed195 · Dec 30, 2020

lowoncash said:
Is this because those combat earplug things didn't work out so well?

Huh? Joking...What ear plugs...of all the gear issued to my unit...ear plugs were not on the list.

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