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Old March 4th, 2021, 02:35 PM #1
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AR-180 RFI

Friends-Does anyone here have direct experience with an AR-180? Friends father died and we discovered one in his numerous rolled up blankets? Interesting fast is several markings on it only say AR-18 and that "0" means a lot. If anyone has one and can give insight to its worth, ease of getting magazines parts etc. it would be appreciated. I have some good pics to upload later, its in great shape for being stored in the crawl space....


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Old March 4th, 2021, 02:39 PM #2
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AR-18s are select-fire...AR-180 is the semi-auto civilian version. It sounds like it has AR-18 parts on it which are interchangeable with the AR-180. Value depends on whether it's Costa Mesa, CA made, How mande in Japan or Sterling made in the UK. The US made version is most valuable...Sterling made are least valuable.

Magazines are pretty much proprietary and don't interchange with AR-15/M16 mags even though they look similar. There have been magazines made that fit Ar-180, AR-15 and Mini-14...and they don't work well in any.
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I have been impressed buy your firearms acknowledge over the years.
Especially over not so common firearms.
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Would be easier if you took a picture of the left side of the receiver. Doesn't seem to have the "auto" marking on the selector.
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There's a YouTube video with Ian a dude from PWS and another dude from Brownells they get into the recoil system and provide some history. I believe this was Eugene stoners brainchild after creating the AR.

Steeles in Delaware may have one I thought I saw one on their Facebook page. They pop up for sale here and there but from the photos I've seen quality is an issue then the prices were up there
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The AR-18 was designed by Eugene Stoner as a less expensive rifle for nations with less developed technical and manufacturing bases. It was primarily made of stampings and easily sourced parts rather than expensive forgings. I've seen some say it should have been the US service rifle rather than the M16...that's arguable I guess.

Another reason behind its design was to avoid the patents on the AR-15/M16 since they were sold to Colt.
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Very cool. Why can’t I find cool stuff like that? Neat piece of history.
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The AR180 shown in the first post was made by Sterling in England. The black paint, circlips on the hammer and trigger pins, and reinforcing welds on the front pin plate are the giveaways. All of these features are seen only on Sterling made rifles. All 180's use a grip marked "AR18" because when the grip mold was made, the 180 was not planned. Once it became obvious that no military contracts were forthcoming and the 180 came about, it was decided that it would be pointless and expensive to redo the grip molds so they were used as is. I've loved the 180 since I came of age in the 80's and have one of the first 1000 Costa Mesa made jobbers. These rifle used to be dirt cheap and nobody wanted them because they are obscure (never understood that one) and appear to be cheaply made (which is most certainly not the case). They are no longer so cheap when you find them and prices are steadily climbing. IMO, if they were more widely recognized for just how much influence they've had on modern military rifle design, they would be significantly more valuable. Costa Mesa examples in good condition are now well over $2000. In fact, I was offered $2800 for mine just last year and another $1000 for the scope.







The value of a Sterling in excellent condition (as the one in the first post appears to be) is currently about $1500 for just the rifle to $1800 if it has the box and original included accessories. There were several variations of the scope made and values on those range from about $800-$1200 depending on condition, variation and whether or not the box and other bits are included. Parts are unobtanium but if the rifle is properly cared for and treated, it should last indefinitely. Magazines are less than common and can get very expensive depending on the round count, markings and manufacturer. Standard AR15 magazines can be modified to fit but they have to be done just right or reliability will suffer. The best bet is to just use original magazines and replace the springs. Standard AR magazine springs will work just fine.
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AR-18s are select-fire...AR-180 is the semi-auto civilian version. It sounds like it has AR-18 parts on it which are interchangeable with the AR-180. Value depends on whether it's Costa Mesa, CA made, How mande in Japan or Sterling made in the UK. The US made version is most valuable...Sterling made are least valuable.

Magazines are pretty much proprietary and don't interchange with AR-15/M16 mags even though they look similar. There have been magazines made that fit Ar-180, AR-15 and Mini-14...and they don't work well in any.
You can modify M16/AR15 mags to work in the AR18/AR180. Any workbench gunsmith can handle the mods with a Dremel

A Costa Mesa or a Howa are the rifles to pick up.

https://rifleshooter.com/2019/07/ar-...fit-an-ar-180/
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The “Widowmaker” is one of the most underrated and unappreciated rifles made for combat. That picture of the Provo gun bunny blasting off at the corner of the building just makes it all the better.
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