Legality of DIAS

teratos · Sep 27, 2020

jr88 said:
How does a something like this work then ? The "Coat Hangar" DIAS ?? Can you register a post ban Machine Gun ?

https://youtu.be/oFyoDYDPFLU

You cannot register a post-ban machine gun unless you are an FFL07

jr88 · Sep 27, 2020

teratos said:
You cannot register a post-ban machine gun unless you are an FFL07

I see, that figures. Still pretty amazing how inexpensive it is to build something that cost 30K+ for us regular folk.

DutchV · Sep 27, 2020

jr88 said:
How does a something like this work then ? The "Coat Hangar" DIAS ?? Can you register a post ban Machine Gun ?

https://youtu.be/oFyoDYDPFLU

"For educational purposes only."

teratos · Sep 27, 2020

Novelty:
https://www.preppersdiscount.com/store/p507/AR15-Full-Auto-Sear-Repair-Kit.html

bigmancrisler · Sep 28, 2020

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Pinecone · Oct 15, 2020

teratos said:
Damn. I remember walking by an MP5SD for $7500 in 1995'ish.

If I could go back in time to 1984, I'd buy 100 RDIAS

Only 100???

Heck, I was looking at a full auto AUG in the mid-90s for about $2K at Walter's Gun Chamber. I thought it was pretty wild that a FA version was cheaper than an SA version.

Squaregrouper · Oct 15, 2020

Pinecone said:
Only 100???

Heck, I was looking at a full auto AUG in the mid-90s for about $2K at Walter's Gun Chamber. I thought it was pretty wild that a FA version was cheaper than an SA version.

First FA I ever shot.

bigmancrisler · Oct 15, 2020

squaregrouper said:
First FA I ever shot.

I can’t wait to get something in FA, I’ve never gotten the chance to shoot one yet.

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woodline · Oct 15, 2020

bigmancrisler said:
I can’t wait to get something in FA, I’ve never gotten the chance to shoot one yet.

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It is mostly a novelty I think, but others often disagree.

Firearms I believe are worth the hype in full auto:

Ma deuce
240b
MK46
Swedish K
AK74
Glock 18
MP7
MK19 (the best)
Any rotary machine gun/mini gun
I hear the Kriss Vector but haven’t tried one F/A

bigmancrisler · Oct 15, 2020

fbi_surveillance_van said:
It is mostly a novelty I think, but others often disagree.

Firearms I believe are worth the hype in full auto:

Ma deuce
240b
MK46
Swedish K
AK74
Glock 18
MP7
I hear the Kriss Vector but haven’t tried one F/A

I know my chances of getting one are really quite slim but I would LOVE a 1919, mg42 or m60

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gtodave · Oct 15, 2020

teratos said:
Novelty:
https://www.preppersdiscount.com/store/p507/AR15-Full-Auto-Sear-Repair-Kit.html

$35k for two little pieces of metal and a spring :sad20:

JohnnyE · Oct 15, 2020

gtodave said:
$35k for two little pieces of metal and a spring

$50 for two little pieces of metal and a spring...$34,950 for the piece of paper that allows you to own it. :mad54:

IMBLITZVT · Oct 15, 2020

fbi_surveillance_van said:
It is mostly a novelty I think, but others often disagree.
Firearms I believe are worth the hype in full auto:

Ma deuce
240b
MK46
Swedish K
AK74
Glock 18
MP7
MK19 (the best)
Any rotary machine gun/mini gun
I hear the Kriss Vector but haven’t tried one F/A

Really, this must be the oddest list I have ever seen. There are many successful Machine guns not on this list and then you have the Glock 18, which pretty much universally is said to be a novelty. I grant there are some Novelty type MGs, but they are mostly Machine Pistols and rarely LMGs or Heavy MGs. I could see even tossing Battle rifles into to that group but not Assault rifles...

bigmancrisler said:
I know my chances of getting one are really quite slim but I would LOVE a 1919, mg42 or m60

Why are they really slim? A 1919 is not out of range of most people. I have seen better deals getting below the teens on them and they are easy to get at about $14-15k. Yeah its a lot of money but if you would really Love to have one, you should be able to save, sell off some other stuff and wait for a good deal to come along. My friend got into one for $11k once he sold off the extras it came with. Sure a MG42 and a M60 are a lot lot more... but the 1919a4 is doable and is very common and a great choice.

bigmancrisler · Oct 15, 2020

IMBLITZVT said:
Really, this must be the oddest list I have ever seen. There are many successful Machine guns not on this list and then you have the Glock 18, which pretty much universally is said to be a novelty. I grant there are some Novelty type MGs, but they are mostly Machine Pistols and rarely LMGs or Heavy MGs. I could see even tossing Battle rifles into to that group but not Assault rifles...

Why are they really slim? A 1919 is not out of range of most people. I have seen better details getting below the teens and they are easy to get at about $15k. Yeah its a lot of money but if you would really Love to have one, you should be able to save, sell off some other stuff and wait for a good deal to come along. My friend got into one for $11k once he sold off the extras it came with. Sure a MG42 and a M60 are a lot lot more... but the 1919a4 is doable and is very common and a great choice.

Shitttt I might just get one then, I’m in the process of trying to save for a lot of stuff right now at the same time as building my ammo and firearm collection. (I’m trying to buy a house very soon).

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bigmancrisler · Oct 15, 2020

IMBLITZVT said:
Really, this must be the oddest list I have ever seen. There are many successful Machine guns not on this list and then you have the Glock 18, which pretty much universally is said to be a novelty. I grant there are some Novelty type MGs, but they are mostly Machine Pistols and rarely LMGs or Heavy MGs. I could see even tossing Battle rifles into to that group but not Assault rifles...

Why are they really slim? A 1919 is not out of range of most people. I have seen better deals getting below the teens on them and they are easy to get at about $14-15k. Yeah its a lot of money but if you would really Love to have one, you should be able to save, sell off some other stuff and wait for a good deal to come along. My friend got into one for $11k once he sold off the extras it came with. Sure a MG42 and a M60 are a lot lot more... but the 1919a4 is doable and is very common and a great choice.

But that surprises me that you can get them for that “cheap”. I definitely would have thought they would be closer to the $30k+ range.

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woodline · Oct 15, 2020

IMBLITZVT said:
Really, this must be the oddest list I have ever seen. There are many successful Machine guns not on this list and then you have the Glock 18, which pretty much universally is said to be a novelty. I grant there are some Novelty type MGs, but they are mostly Machine Pistols and rarely LMGs or Heavy MGs. I could see even tossing Battle rifles into to that group but not Assault rifles...

My list is part “useful, have/would use for work”, part “novelty”. If you like I can categorize which ones go where.

bigmancrisler · Oct 15, 2020

fbi_surveillance_van said:
My list is part “useful, would use for work”, part “novelty”. If you like I can categorize which ones go where.

Ya I’d be curious

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woodline · Oct 15, 2020

bigmancrisler said:
Ya I’d be curious

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Useful:
Ma deuce
240b
MK46
Mini gun of any type

Marginal:
AK74
MP7

Novelty:
Swedish K
Glock 18

Undecided but interested in trying out:
Kriss Vector

Here is a list of everything else select fire that I can recall shooting:
M16a2, M16A1, m4a1, MK18, H&K416, MP5, MP5K, MP5SD, M2 Grease Gun, Thompson, Sterling, Suomi, MK48, PKm (a fantastic belt fed but it beats your face up with the standard stock, loses out on fun factor), 249, Vz58, CZ Bren, Tantal, AK-47/AKm, Colt 9mm, RPK, M14, Uzi 9mm, Vityaz, H&K G3, AR10, P90. Maybe some others?

If you want to shoot with the giggle switch, by all means do it. Just try to do it 3-4 different times before you invest in the hobby. And be honest with yourself what you’ll actually be doing with your investments. IMBLITZVT LOVES it, and is super passionate about it. I’m not. If select fire firearms cost what they are worth instead of being collectible thanks to the stupid Hughes amendment, I would be a much stronger advocate for them. Everyone needs a belt fed for the end of the world, trust me.

bigmancrisler · Oct 15, 2020

fbi_surveillance_van said:
Useful:
Ma deuce
240b
MK46
Mini gun of any type

Marginal:
AK74
MP7

Novelty:
Swedish K
Glock 18

Undecided but interested in trying out:
Kriss Vector

Here is a list of everything else select fire that I can recall shooting:
M16a2, M16A1, m4a1, MK18, H&K416, MP5, MP5K, MP5SD, M2 Grease Gun, Thompson, Sterling, Suomi, MK48, PKm (a fantastic belt fed but it beats your face up with the standard stock, loses out on fun factor), 249, Vz58, CZ Bren, Tantal, AK-47/AKm, Colt 9mm, RPK, M14, Uzi 9mm, Vityaz, H&K G3, AR10, P90. Maybe some others?

If you want to shoot with the giggle switch, by all means do it. Just try to do it 3-4 different times before you invest in the hobby. And be honest with yourself what you’ll actually be doing with your investments. IMBLITZVT LOVES it, and is super passionate about it. I’m not. If select fire firearms cost what they are worth instead of being collectible thanks to the stupid Hughes amendment, I would be a much stronger advocate for them. Everyone needs a belt fed for the end of the world, trust me.

Could get a belt fed AR upper and a DIAS

but I’m certain in saying we all would like to see NFA and GCA repealed.

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