SAF launches new lawsuite against New Jersey

motorcoachdoug · Nov 2, 2020

Well it was only a matter of time since ABC was sworn in before one of the gun right law firms or groups filled a lawsuit where people need to show a G&S reason. Here is the link to the new release

https://www.saf.org/saf-files-federal-lawsuit-challenging-restrictive-new-jersey-carry-laws/

budman93 · Nov 2, 2020

Excellent.

delaware_export · Nov 2, 2020

Hmmm if the case moves to SCOTUS as fast as the appointment, that could be nice

whistlersmother · Nov 2, 2020

I foresee multiple writ of mandamus in the future as the lower courts drag their heels.

press1280 · Nov 3, 2020

Nice. Although I wish they had a complete regular Joe as a plaintiff. The 2 plaintiffs here would likely qualify in MD and thus may get permits the second SCOTUS accepts the case.

KingClown · Nov 3, 2020

TIme to test the waters. I wonder if NY CA and MD will make them stop before SCOTUS like they did to DC or maybe NJ will have a pair and take it up to SCOTUS and make all the Lintarded cities loss thier G&S and become shall issue like the freedom loving states like TX and WV

tallen702 · Nov 3, 2020

KingClown said:
TIme to test the waters. I wonder if NY CA and MD will make them stop before SCOTUS like they did to DC or maybe NJ will have a pair and take it up to SCOTUS and make all the Lintarded cities loss thier G&S and become shall issue like the freedom loving states like TX and WV

WV isn't shall issue, WV is constitutional carry. They WERE shall issue and are to those seeking to actually hold a permit (for reciprocity with other states), but it's not required for anyone, from any state of residency, to have a permit to conceal carry in WV.

RonRJA · Nov 3, 2020

I have been thinking about supporting 2AF financially recently and this may be my sign.

teratos · Nov 3, 2020

It sucks to be us in Maryland, with all these idiots in the general assembly. Illinois, and Washington DC got shall issue prior to us. It looks like New Jersey may get it before us too......

KingClown · Nov 4, 2020

tallen702 said:
WV isn't shall issue, WV is constitutional carry. They WERE shall issue and are to those seeking to actually hold a permit (for reciprocity with other states), but it's not required for anyone, from any state of residency, to have a permit to conceal carry in WV.

I never said it was shall issue. I said MD needs to be shall issue. I know WV is constitutional carry and I excercise my right there every day. I live in the line just minutes from WV and go there for everything. MD doesnt get a dime from me that I can avoid. The only reason I havent moved over to WV there is my Jeep wont pass thier inspection and I cant tag it historic like I have done in MD. Once I have that figured out I am done with this socialist state

press1280 · Nov 5, 2020

teratos said:
It sucks to be us in Maryland, with all these idiots in the general assembly. Illinois, and Washington DC got shall issue prior to us. It looks like New Jersey may get it before us too......

If NJ goes shall issue it’ll be because SCOTUS made them, which means MD would be right after.

budman93 · Nov 5, 2020

KingClown said:
I never said it was shall issue. I said MD needs to be shall issue. I know WV is constitutional carry and I excercise my right there every day. I live in the line just minutes from WV and go there for everything. MD doesnt get a dime from me that I can avoid. The only reason I havent moved over to WV there is my Jeep wont pass thier inspection and I cant tag it historic like I have done in MD. Once I have that figured out I am done with this socialist state

Dude if that is your only reason just ditch the jeep or fix it so it will pass. Thats such a small reason to hold out on freedom.

Slackdaddy · Nov 6, 2020

That jeep would be on craigslist yesterday

KingClown said:
I never said it was shall issue. I said MD needs to be shall issue. I know WV is constitutional carry and I excercise my right there every day. I live in the line just minutes from WV and go there for everything. MD doesnt get a dime from me that I can avoid. The only reason I havent moved over to WV there is my Jeep wont pass thier inspection and I cant tag it historic like I have done in MD. Once I have that figured out I am done with this socialist state

platekiller · Nov 6, 2020

KingClown said:
I never said it was shall issue. I said MD needs to be shall issue. I know WV is constitutional carry and I excercise my right there every day. I live in the line just minutes from WV and go there for everything. MD doesnt get a dime from me that I can avoid. The only reason I havent moved over to WV there is my Jeep wont pass thier inspection and I cant tag it historic like I have done in MD. Once I have that figured out I am done with this socialist state

Not so sure your Jeep won’t pass. It’s a safety inspection (headlights work, wipers work, no exhaust leaks). I passed when we moved here with 3/32” tire tread (didn’t expect to but the deadline came quick). Heck I found a shop that would pass anything. I had an exhaust leak and he said just make sure the kids don’t ride in the car, I told him
It’s a commuter car and the van is for the family and he slapped the sticker on. Plus the fine if they pull you over for that is like $100. I’ve known people who haven’t done the inspection in years

press1280 · Nov 8, 2020

Just a note in case anyone's wondering about timing of this case. Rogers (an almost identical case in the same circuit) was filed in the district court in February 2018 and went to its first SCOTUS conference in February 2019.
So if all holds the same we could see this case in conference a year from now which would give it a decent shot at being heard and decided by June 2022.
Pray that Clarence Thomas especially stays in good health.

krucam · Nov 8, 2020

press1280 said:
Just a note in case anyone's wondering about timing of this case. Rogers (an almost identical case in the same circuit) was filed in the district court in February 2018 and went to its first SCOTUS conference in February 2019.
So if all holds the same we could see this case in conference a year from now which would give it a decent shot at being heard and decided by June 2022.
Pray that Clarence Thomas especially stays in good health.

And Drake came out of NJ in 2010-ish as well. SAF likes filing there and in the 3rd Circuit...

Chat-Bot · Nov 8, 2020

budman93 said:
Dude if that is your only reason just ditch the jeep or fix it so it will pass. Thats such a small reason to hold out on freedom.

He's probably thinking EMP.

press1280 · Nov 8, 2020

krucam said:
And Drake came out of NJ in 2010-ish as well. SAF likes filing there and in the 3rd Circuit...

Drake would have taken longer since it was the initial case after Heller. These cases are essentially telling the lower courts that, "We lose here due to circuit precedent, please send us to SCOTUS."

teratos · Nov 8, 2020

press1280 said:
If NJ goes shall issue it’ll be because SCOTUS made them, which means MD would be right after.

You have a better legal mind than I, but what if they take one for the team like DC did in Wrenn?

press1280 · Nov 8, 2020

teratos said:
You have a better legal mind than I, but what if they take one for the team like DC did in Wrenn?

Good question although I think NJ would draw the line and fight all the way.
With SAF filing suit in NJ and now NY, I wouldn’t be surprised if they also file a MD lawsuit.

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