If passed as is they can confiscate, penalize, destroy, transfer your wealth to attorneys, etc etc looong before SCOTUS even knows. Heck, could be 12 additional Judges by then, just a thought.
HB 638 Untraceable & Undetectable Firearms
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Okay I have to ask. Sorry I post rarely here.
Why would not model gun1 work for all ar's, as long as they are different ser#s it should be legal.
Then say model pistol for all pistols, with different ser#s. Heck you could do gun1 for ar's, gun2 for pistols.
Since we/you would be the maker we can decide on the model number/name.
Or have a little fun fmsp1 as model for ars, then fmsp2 for pistols. This should keep engraving costs down as there is less changes to be made, and they are simple changes.
I was just doing a little reading on laser engravers, they are not cheap but we know that. But I was reading where a small less powerful laser can burn away nail polish, then do chemical engraving. Might be a small short term business, ie buy a small laser then just have people pay to use it. They can do the chem etch at home. Not to make money but just to offset the cost of the laser/computer set up.
Why would not model gun1 work for all ar's, as long as they are different ser#s it should be legal.
Then say model pistol for all pistols, with different ser#s. Heck you could do gun1 for ar's, gun2 for pistols.
Since we/you would be the maker we can decide on the model number/name.
Or have a little fun fmsp1 as model for ars, then fmsp2 for pistols. This should keep engraving costs down as there is less changes to be made, and they are simple changes.
I was just doing a little reading on laser engravers, they are not cheap but we know that. But I was reading where a small less powerful laser can burn away nail polish, then do chemical engraving. Might be a small short term business, ie buy a small laser then just have people pay to use it. They can do the chem etch at home. Not to make money but just to offset the cost of the laser/computer set up.
- Feb 4, 2013
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Question I have is, how many times since 1968 has having a serial number on a firearm actually done anything for the police in a case?
Kharn
Ultimate Member
They just haven't done it right.
You have to say "Enhance" a lot while using the computer and be ready to put on your glasses.
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Pretty much only for cases involving stolen firearms.
Nailed a lot of people on straw purchases or illegal transfers. Probably a tiny number of legitimate gun owners who discarded the gun after the crime. Numbers, no idea. I do know it has solved at least some crimes (or caught others secondary to the crime itself).
Not super often as most guns used in crime are stolen.
Please. How many people on this forum have made a gun from an 80% lower/frame and then decided to sell it? My guess would be less than 10, probably closer to 0. The biggest issue with 80% guns is that criminals who are making or stealing them are not put behind bars for long periods of time. Actually the same holds true for serialized firearms as well.
Do you really think that police/prosecutors really need another gun law to help prosecute these scumbags? Most of them are felons to begin with so it’s already illegal with any gun. Last thing we need is another law that prosecutors and judges ignore when it comes to career criminals.
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Sadly so few people who do it actually get charged with straw purchases
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PowPow
Where's the beef?
How this truth escapes people is a mystery to me.
Nah, we know the lawmakers know all of this. This is just about bludgeoning people with an individualist's world view. They don't hate 80% builds, they hate us.
Compared to how many do it? Absolutely. But AFAIK the numbers aren't tiny. A few hundred prosecutions a year nationwide.
I've got zero way of knowing, but at a guess there are likely tens of thousands going on annually (likely more). And probably thousands where a straw purchase is implicated, but ATF/state doesn't end up doing anything about it.
Kicken Wing
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Cross bill SB 624 has been filed in the senate. First Reading was on Jan 29. Sign up for testimony is on 2/15. Hearing is on 2/17 @ 1:00PM (or there about). Senator Lee again this year. I did not read word for word but I read the bottom of each page and compared it to HB 638. They appear to be identical at a glance.
Fuggem. Let these monstrosities pass as-is. With as badly as our side is treated, they don’t deserve to have us grovel before them. Opposing the Bill indicates you intend to comply.
KevinK
Ultimate Member
Very well said Doc.
randomuser
Ultimate Member
This is how you win.
That is exactly it. Imagine if none of us discuss any of this any longer and just do what we do.
In the past people say wwnc but at the same time had the debate asking them not to change things and take our rights.
- Dec 30, 2012
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IF I did go to testify, all I would do is what Mopar the Great did a few years ago.
PowPow
Where's the beef?
The problem is, you couldn't go testify even if you wanted to. It's zoom with limited signup or written.
Yeah, let's stop voting too because the other side won (or even if you think there is fraud). That'll show them.
PS To see evidence of the level of stupid that is, look at many of the capitol protestors. As it turns out many of them didn't even vote in November.
Yeah, just imagine. More outrageous laws would have been passed. You'd still be affected. If you were relatively unlucky, you'd be imprisoned at some point for not complying and lose all of your firearm rights.
And before you say you won't be affected because you aren't complying. Okay, look at the ammo bill. Pretty sure all businesses are going to follow it. So you have no choice but to comply. Unless you have a friend who doesn't mind buying it for you and giving it to you, just so you can skip a background check or get an HQL (or use an HQL if you already have one).
Or sure, you could drive to another state. But that is still affecting you, because it is taking extra time and effort to get it. That is still compliance with the letter of the proposed law (if not the spirit).
You work to stop bad laws, or if that isn't possible, make them the least bad possible. If they still pass, what you do then is a personal choice. But saying don't fight them, just don't comply is
A) arguing to take lawless action
B) a good way if you follow your own preaching to eventually get in deep shit
C) gets more bad laws and worse legislation that makes B that much more likely and screws over anyone who will comply, but doesn't like the law
It is a cutting off your nose to spite your face and won't actually result in overall positive change (or less negative).
I don't think anyone on here disagrees that this is a terrible bill. In fact, I'm pretty sure it is safe to say that we are relatively united in our opinions on this bill - there is merely a difference of opinion on how to address it.
On most topics (e.g., the ammunition bill) I agree with Lazarus, fight like hell.
But there is some logical merit to Teratos suggestion. We might win the proverbial battle on self-administered serial numbers, to only lose the war and make those numbers be issued by MSP Licensing Division....
The oligarchs in Annapolis don't have a care in the world for what we say. Our only hope is that volume of voices can force them to take notice (such as several sheriff's showing up to voice WWNC along with many hundreds if not thousands of citizens).
On most topics (e.g., the ammunition bill) I agree with Lazarus, fight like hell.
But there is some logical merit to Teratos suggestion. We might win the proverbial battle on self-administered serial numbers, to only lose the war and make those numbers be issued by MSP Licensing Division....
The oligarchs in Annapolis don't have a care in the world for what we say. Our only hope is that volume of voices can force them to take notice (such as several sheriff's showing up to voice WWNC along with many hundreds if not thousands of citizens).
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