Proposal to allow Straight Wall Pistol Cartridges

danb · Jun 14, 2020

Nothing else has changed in COMAR, see the link in post #47.

Also, when they publish it in the MD register, its a done deal. The real comment period for this ran in February before they published, and they removed some things that they proposed.

lazarus · Jun 15, 2020

Uncle Duke said:
I hope that arbitrary 1200 fpe rifle spec does disappear in any new regulations, but am not holding my breath. Especially with Maryland.

No chance of it. I only hope it does, or is reduced, because I’d like to hunt with my M1 carbine some day. Legal in a pistol. Not in a rifle. Now it’s not 200yd deer gun, but at 100yds it’s got basically the same energy as a stout .357 at 100.

From what I’ve seen a decent .30 soft point will pretty easily expand to over half an inch and likely still pass through a deer.

Doco Overboard · Jun 15, 2020

I just looked on Gbroker at 375 Win rifles. Looks like they went up a tad vs what I have seen them go for in the past. A nice 375 AE or even 38-55 with some of the modern bullets from Hornady or Buffalo Bore would make a nice deer hunting rig.
Theirs a decent No 3 with dies and bases on there right now for a reasonable sum. Its got a quarter rib on it to I think.

dannyp · Jun 15, 2020

i may be wrong , but doesn't the purposal say 1.8 inch case length ? thought only pistol cartridges were in play , 450 bushbaster , 458 socom , 350 legend .

Pale Ryder · Jun 15, 2020

dannyp said:
i may be wrong , but doesn't the purposal say 1.8 inch case length ? thought only pistol cartridges were in play , 450 bushbaster , 458 socom , 350 legend .

I don’t think there were any restrictions. Are you thinking of Delaware, they have a restriction on length and action type?

danb · Jun 15, 2020

dannyp said:
i may be wrong , but doesn't the purposal say 1.8 inch case length ? thought only pistol cartridges were in play , 450 bushbaster , 458 socom , 350 legend .

It does not mention that in the proposed MD regs anywhere.

Bertfish · Jun 16, 2020

Anyone mention 50 Beuwolf? Or however it's spelled

ChrisD · Jun 16, 2020

I have a (pretty dumb) question. Is the 300 AAC considered a straight wall cartridge? Tried a search here and other searches online without an answer.

TAstro · Jun 16, 2020

ChrisD said:
I have a (pretty dumb) question. Is the 300 AAC considered a straight wall cartridge? Tried a search here and other searches online without an answer.

I would think not as it has a shoulder.

357Max · Jun 16, 2020

Damn....how'd I miss this till now.
This is great news. Going to dust off the Super Mag.

I already have a 350 legend pistol build in the works, nice to know it won't be just a range toy. I went the same route as danB. Looked around and hated most of the shelf barrels offered. I ordered a custom from X-calliber on on of their 30% off sales. 11", carbine gas, 5/8 x 24 thread, & .875 SLR adj gas block.

I swear AR's breed faster then rabbits, now I'm thinking 45 Raptor for the large frame AR

We need a straight walled build picture thread.

KIBarrister · Jun 18, 2020

I was contemplating 350 Legend (and may still go that route), but I also realized that my HK UMP will handle 45 Super. What say the class on the viability of 45 Super for Bambi whacking?

Biggfoot44 · Jun 18, 2020

If Md regs will allow, I dunno .

Is it fatal to Bambi ? Yes . Is it legal for handgun hunting in Va and WV ? Yes. ( 4in bbl, 350 ftlb )

lazarus · Jun 18, 2020

Biggfoot44 said:
If Md regs will allow, I dunno .

Is it fatal to Bambi ? Yes . Is it legal for handgun hunting in Va and WV ? Yes. ( 4in bbl, 350 ftlb )

Is your UMP wearing a 6” barrel or longer?

Haven’t looked closely enough at .45 super, can it generate 700ft-lbs or more muzzle energy from a 6” or longer barrel?

If the answer isn’t yes to both, then the answer is no to being MD legal for deer hunting.

rseymorejr · Jun 18, 2020

So 45-70 and 444 Marlin would be good to go?

rob b · Jun 18, 2020

10 mm rifles should be good also

RonRJA · Jun 19, 2020

The prospect of being able to use a straight wall cartridge like a 45-70 in a lever action gun really has me enticed to get into deer hunting. Can't wait for this to be "official" I may be going out to buy one the day it is announced.

Doco Overboard · Jun 19, 2020

I seen a guy who frequents the range not long ago had a lever in 45/70. I think it might of been a Henry. Anyhow, it was a carbine maybe and either brand new or pretty new and it was knocking the dog S*&^ out of him.

He freakin loved every minute of it though. It looked like a really nice rig but I dint take the time to check it out very well.

I told him dont worry, Ill police up the brass lol. He made sure he got all of it though

John from MD · Jun 19, 2020

Marlin used to make a short barreled 1895 in 45/70 that would knock the snot out of you. I don't know if they still make it but it was a handy woods gun but, at the bench, it was a killer. :shocked2:

Bisleyfan44 · Jun 19, 2020

KIBarrister said:
I was contemplating 350 Legend (and may still go that route), but I also realized that my HK UMP will handle 45 Super. What say the class on the viability of 45 Super for Bambi whacking?

The 45 Super in a 7.5" Blackhawk meets both the 6" and 700 ft/lb minimum. And does a great job on deer.

KIBarrister · Jun 19, 2020

lazarus said:
Is your UMP wearing a 6” barrel or longer?

Haven’t looked closely enough at .45 super, can it generate 700ft-lbs or more muzzle energy from a 6” or longer barrel?

If the answer isn’t yes to both, then the answer is no to being MD legal for deer hunting.

16” bbl - and the foot pound number is sufficient too. More the question below if anyone has had experience if it got the job done properly as below.

Bisleyfan44 said:
The 45 Super in a 7.5" Blackhawk meets both the 6" and 700 ft/lb minimum. And does a great job on deer.

Cheers!

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