Sub2000 upgrade...

RoadDawg · Jul 17, 2016

As anyone who has a Sub2000 knows... KelTec's Sub2000 trigger leaves a bit to be desired. It stutters a bit on pull... and the pull is a heavy one, 7.5 to 10 pounds stock... Also, the stock trigger is a plastic one that tends to be a bit of a bite in the trigger finger to make things even more challenging. It is injection molded plastic and has a cheap sharp feel to it that requires some sandpaper to take the sharp edges off.

Take heart... There is a fix for both issues.

This set of springs have been developed by MCARBO and reduce the pull to a respectable 5.25 pounds. That is 2.25 to 4.75 pounds less pull. And it is definitely an improvement.

http://www.mcarbo.com/kel-tec-sub-2000-trigger-spring-kit.aspx

My Gen1 Sub2000 had a heavy pull which caused the plastic trigger to flex under pressure as it was pulled. The edges were sharp and uncomfortable.

The new MCARBO Sub2000 trigger is a must have for the completion of the upgrade. It is made of billet aluminum and anodized black to match the rifle. Unlike the stock plastic trigger... it is a smooth pulling, non flexing, crisp breaking trigger that is not hard on the trigger finger.

http://www.mcarbo.com/kel-tec-sub-2000-target-trigger.aspx

MCARBO is a Veteran owned and operated business which began manufacturing precision firearm parts in 2012. Their products carry a lifetime guarantee and I can say, from my own experience, that they are a company which values customer service and opinion.

pwoolford · Jul 17, 2016

Sub2ks are a blast to shoot but the triggers could definitely use some improvement! Looks like they even post their install videos so you can see what is involved before ordering.

Thanks for the heads up!

j_h_smith · Jul 17, 2016

There is a sub culture for these KelTec firearms. I have a P11 that I've done a great deal of work on. I would carry this pistol to protect my life. The trigger is a lot smoother and it functions flawlessly.

A bit of cheap help with these firearms. I believe they sell a trigger shoe for most of their firearms. Until you can get into the firearm to do some real gunsmithing, that shoe will make take 3-5 of pull off of their stock trigger.

bkuether · Jul 18, 2016

Visited the site and watched the videos. Appears they have a good product. Likely will try this upgrade. The trigger pull is very annoying on my Gen 1 Sub 2K. However has been ultimately reliable. If things continue to go the wrong way, I will not hesitate to use it as my GBH gun. Thanks RD for the heads up!

Flametamer · Jul 18, 2016

Thanks RD for the input. I've been considering these upgrades, and it's always good to hear from someone who has 'walked the talk'.

71Chevelle427 · Jul 18, 2016

RD, have you shot it yet with the upgrades?

I have a Gen2, on which the trigger pull doesn't seem all that bad, but could be a little smoother/less gritty. I did do the sandpaper smoothing on the trigger edges though, which made huge difference in comfort level. But since this Gen2 is the with me at all times "thing", I am not all warm and fuzzy knowing I am ultimately depending on a plastic trigger.

RoadDawg · Jul 18, 2016

71Chevelle427 said:
RD, have you shot it yet with the upgrades?

I have a Gen2, on which the trigger pull doesn't seem all that bad, but could be a little smoother/less gritty. I did do the sandpaper smoothing on the trigger edges though, which made huge difference in comfort level. But since this Gen2 is the with me at all times "thing", I am not all warm and fuzzy knowing I am ultimately depending on a plastic trigger.

I just completed the upgrade before posting... I did a function check with the stock trigger and springs prior to the upgrade. I wanted a reference point to work with.

After the upgrade, I checked function again... And it is noticeably better. The springs are a good upgrade. The springs and trigger are a great upgrade. A much lighter, smoother and solid trigger pull.

One word of caution... That little sear spring is a "jumping spider" until you get it all back together. It likes to pop off of the pin when you least expect it to do so.

71Chevelle427 · Jul 18, 2016

So it's not a sausage finger friendly mod? I'm out. LMAO. :lol2:

RoadDawg · Jul 18, 2016

71Chevelle427 said:
So it's not a sausage finger friendly mod? I'm out. LMAO.

No... It is a simple mod and your gorrila fingers can do it... :lol2:

But, once the spring is in place... You need to make sure you cover it well as you reassemble the rifle. Or, you will be searching for it on the floor of your shop.

The upgrade is worth the effort. :thumbsup:

71Chevelle427 · Jul 18, 2016

Might have to do it. Thanks for the links and feedback

j_h_smith · Jul 18, 2016

71Chevelle427 said:
Might have to do it. Thanks for the links and feedback

Hey why not. You can probably buy a dozen of these springs for less than $20.

71Chevelle427 · Jul 18, 2016

j_h_smith said:
Hey why not. You can probably buy a dozen of these springs for less than $20.

Maybe so.....if you knew where to source them and what tension they needed to be, etc...which explains why they're $30.

Unless you mean a dozen of the ones that I'll be shooting all over the living room, lol.

j_h_smith · Jul 18, 2016

71Chevelle427 said:
Maybe so.....if you knew where to source them and what tension they needed to be, etc...which explains why they're $30.

Unless you mean a dozen of the ones that I'll be shooting all over the living room, lol.

Yes, just the tiny springs that'll be shooting all over the living room.

[Kev308] · Nov 18, 2021

https://youtu.be/hvbUnf63iFg
Curious what you guys think of this action cover? Seems like a pretty solid idea. The cover dangling from the trigger guard isnt ideal.

ToolAA · Nov 18, 2021

[Kev308];6480903 said:
https://youtu.be/hvbUnf63iFg
Curious what you guys think of this action cover? Seems like a pretty solid idea. The cover dangling from the trigger guard isnt ideal.

I’ve never really understood what all the hoopla is with the Sub2k. I mean it looks cool and everything, but loading a single 9mm round like a break action shotgun just takes waaaaayyy to long for me.

I should have sold mine when prices were high.

/s

[Kev308] · Nov 18, 2021

ToolAA said:
I’ve never really understood what all the hoopla is with the Sub2k. I mean it looks cool and everything, but loading a single 9mm round like a break action shotgun just takes waaaaayyy to long for me.

I should have sold mine when prices were high.

You should have bought the upgrade called the magazine.

Bullfrog · Nov 18, 2021

ToolAA said:
I’ve never really understood what all the hoopla is with the Sub2k. I mean it looks cool and everything, but loading a single 9mm round like a break action shotgun just takes waaaaayyy to long for me.

I should have sold mine when prices were high.

/s

The trick is to dremel the latch off so you can just flip the barrel up and back down with your hand remaining on the grip.

You end up looking like a uncoordinated caricature of Chuck Connors, but its totally effective.

[Kev308] · Nov 22, 2021

Just placed an order for one of the "absolutely necessary plates." 14.99 plus shipping. Most times I carry the sub2k in a designated bag, but figure I might as well have one in case it has to been thrown into a messy spot.

GrimReaper · Nov 22, 2021

ToolAA said:
I’ve never really understood what all the hoopla is with the Sub2k. I mean it looks cool and everything, but loading a single 9mm round like a break action shotgun just takes waaaaayyy to long for me.

I should have sold mine when prices were high.

/s

Huh? I have 30 round mags for mine. I dont care for mine too much either though, only keep it as a truck gun. It's extremely awkward for me to get a proper sight picture with it for some reason. Red dot would fix that but it won't fit under the seat with a red dot even with the flip mount.

ToolAA · Nov 22, 2021

GrimReaper said:
Huh? I have 30 round mags for mine. I dont care for mine too much either though, only keep it as a truck gun. It's extremely awkward for me to get a proper sight picture with it for some reason. Red dot would fix that but it won't fit under the seat with a red dot even with the flip mount.

I was just goofing around when I posted that. I have 33 round mags for mine too. I can ding steel at 100yds using the stock sights but I did get the flip RDS mount.

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