Private sale of AR15

Shore88 · Feb 15, 2021

Pinecone said:
They don't.

You just tell them you sold it.

If you are concerned, do a bill of sale with the buyer putting info and signing.

The same thing if you bought a rifle from a dealer (logged in their bound book and on the 4473) and then sold it FTF.

Understood. Thanks

KevinK · Feb 15, 2021

outrider58 said:
When you buy a gun or gun part that requires a 77r, you are 'listed' as the original owner of said part. If you sell it face to face (which in most cases is still legal), a search on that serial number will trace back to you as the original owner. Always. That doesn't mean you still own it. It only means you bought it first.
If I have that right.

Not in a few more weeks.

:sad20:

Biggfoot44 · Feb 15, 2021

MSP records are like Herpes , they NEVER go away . Once a transfer is done by ( to) you , they records never change , there is no process to " unregister " anything .

dblas · Feb 15, 2021

Shore88 said:
Got it now. Thanks. Sorry for mixing handguns and rifles.

No problem at all, if you ever make over here to the Western Shore, let know we can get a beer.

Shore88 · Feb 15, 2021

dblas said:
No problem at all, if you ever make over here to the Western Shore, let know we can get a beer.

Will do.

eARl · Oct 30, 2021

Legal sale?

I have not read through this whole thread but I am looking at selling a couple of built ar15 to a friend, can I legally do this through just a bill of sale face to face? I built them both from lower receiver purchases. The friend is a resident of North Carolina. Thanks

hdatontodo · Oct 30, 2021

eARl said:
I have not read through this whole thread but I am looking at selling a couple of built ar15 to a friend, can I legally do this through just a bill of sale face to face? I built them both from lower receiver purchases. The friend is a resident of North Carolina. Thanks

Interstate (and now intrastate), go through an ffl.

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eARl · Oct 30, 2021

Are you saying that is the law or what you would do? Just curious. Thanks!

rseymorejr · Oct 30, 2021

eARl said:
Are you saying that is the law or what you would do? Just curious. Thanks!

If you are a Maryland resident then by Federal law you'd need to transfer through an FFL to a NC resident. As of this spring 2 Maryland residents would need to transfer through an FFL due to new state law. As long as the AR is an HBAR

eARl · Oct 30, 2021

rseymorejr said:
If you are a Maryland resident then by Federal law you'd need to transfer through an FFL to a NC resident. As of this spring 2 Maryland residents would need to transfer through an FFL due to new state law. As long as the AR is an HBAR

Gotcha, thanks for your help!!

dblas · Oct 30, 2021

eARl said:
I have not read through this whole thread but I am looking at selling a couple of built ar15 to a friend, can I legally do this through just a bill of sale face to face? I built them both from lower receiver purchases. The friend is a resident of North Carolina. Thanks

Federal law requires the sale to go through an FFL in either state for an out of state purchase.

pleasant1911 · Jul 29, 2023

bump.

I have an AR 15 build I want to sell. I bought a complete lower and then bought a complete upper on the internet.

Am I allow to sell it? It is not a heavy barrel?

I know there are 5 pages to this thread, but maybe the laws changed since 2021??? Thx

trickg · Jul 29, 2023

pleasant1911 said:
bump.

I have an AR 15 build I want to sell. I bought a complete lower and then bought a complete upper on the internet.

Am I allow to sell it? It is not a heavy barrel?

I know there are 5 pages to this thread, but maybe the laws changed since 2021??? Thx

To my knowledge - IANAL - if you want to sell it as a completed rifle, if it's MD compliant with an HBAR it's like selling any other long gun and will have to be done through an FFL if done in state.

If you part it out to sell it - upper/lower - then the lower needs to be transferred like a handgun, complete with 7-day wait, and the upper can be cash-and-carry.

That's my loose understanding - if I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will come on here in a New York minute to correct me.

outrider58 · Jul 29, 2023

pleasant1911 said:
bump.

I have an AR 15 build I want to sell. I bought a complete lower and then bought a complete upper on the internet.

Am I allow to sell it? It is not a heavy barrel?

I know there are 5 pages to this thread, but maybe the laws changed since 2021??? Thx

Not as a complete rifle(in Md). I'm thinking you'd need to sell as two individual sales(lower and upper, each sold separately).

pleasant1911 · Jul 29, 2023

trickg said:
To my knowledge - IANAL - if you want to sell it as a completed rifle, if it's MD compliant with an HBAR it's like selling any other long gun and will have to be done through an FFL if done in state.

If you part it out to sell it - upper/lower - then the lower needs to be transferred like a handgun, complete with 7-day wait, and the upper can be cash-and-carry.

That's my loose understanding - if I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will come on here in a New York minute to correct me.

TY for the info. I want to sell it in the classifies but don’t want to hit with the “hammer”.

pleasant1911 · Jul 29, 2023

outrider58 said:
Not as a complete rifle(in Md). I'm thinking you'd need to sell as two individual sales(lower and upper, each sold separately).

TY.

Biggfoot44 · Jul 29, 2023

pleasant1911 said:
TY for the info. I want to sell it in the classifies but don’t want to hit with the “hammer”.

If it's not an HBAR , it's not Md legal , and can't be offered in MDS Classifieds . ( At least not as a complete rifle . )

Can be sold out of state as complete rifle
Either thru or to an FFL .
If convenient to you , you could bring it to gun show in Chantilly , Fredericksburg , Gettysburg , York , etc , with a sign of " AR-15 for Sale " . Subsequent sale would have to go thru an FFL per federal law .

Or offer for sale here ( or otherwise in Md ) as seperate Upper and Lower . Lower would have to go through 77R process , Upper unregulated cash & carry .

eruby · Jul 29, 2023

pleasant1911 said:
bump.

I have an AR 15 build I want to sell. I bought a complete lower and then bought a complete upper on the internet.

Am I allow to sell it? It is not a heavy barrel?

I know there are 5 pages to this thread, but maybe the laws changed since 2021??? Thx

When did you buy all the components, and when did you assemble them?

Biggfoot44 · Jul 29, 2023

eruby said:
When did you buy all the components, and when did you assemble them?

If OP purchased & owned continuously since before Oct 1 2013 , he's Grandfathered . But Grandfathered status only transfers by inheritance , not sale .

teratos · Jul 29, 2023

Biggfoot44 said:
If OP purchased & owned continuously since before Oct 1 2013 , he's Grandfathered . But Grandfathered status only transfers by inheritance , not sale .

…or by ignoring Unconstitutional laws. YMMV

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