Private sale of AR15

rbird7282 said:

No. It is cash and carry. Once it’s built into an HBAR rifle it can be sold cash and carry. It can’t legally be built into a pistol afterwords. The licensing division will give you a different answer every day of the week.

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71Chevelle427 said:

I thought if a lower, was bought as an "Other", and was built into a PISTOL first, it could be built as either, (ie; swapped back between rifle and pistol) anytime in the future?

Does that only concern, or matter for, the original owner/builder?

Just curious.
Every lower I have ever bought, was an "Other", and always built as a pistol first. As I understand your reply, if I then made it an HBAR RIFLE, and sold it, the new owner could never go back to a pistol?

And yes, the MSP (LD or not) seem to not have any sort of consistency whatsoever, regarding firearms, and/or firearm transfers. I've had a Trooper at Golden Ring insist I could not SELL a handgun without an HQL, and one tell me I could not BUY more than one handgun in a 30 day period, regardless of any "Collector Letter" issued by them...lol.

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rbird7282 said:

You are correct about being able to change it back and forth if it was built as a pistol first. However that doesn’t apply here if is being sold as a rifle to another individual. The new owner cannot legally change it back to a pistol because he bought it as a rifle.

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rockstarr said:

How does the state even know what you’ve built a lower as ?

Kind of something you’ll know but nobody else will.

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Quartermaster1942 said:

I appreciate you clarifying. Obviously I had not known this before. Thanks for the help.

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trickg said:

This thread follows along with the same idea that although a lower is regulated, and there are certain types of rifles that are illegal and illegal, HBAR and non-HBAR as examples, literally no one is checking your AR at the range to make sure the barrel profile is the correct barrel profile. With the AR platform being modular and the fact that uppers and parts are mail order, literally know one knows or really cares what goes on in the privacy of your own home with your build. The only time it would ever matter or even come to the fore would be if a crime was committed with the rifle and it was taken in as evidence.

But again, the first rule of Fight Club/Magazine Club/AR Club is that you do not talk about.....

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lazarus said:

The occasional news story pops up of someone getting pulled over in Maryland and getting charges for breaking FSA2013 for having an AR. Some are obvious where the possessor couldn’t have been of legal age to have had legal possession of a non-HBAR prior to the law going in to affect. Some have been old enough they could have legally owned one.

What the outcome of those cases ends up being, no F-ing clue. But gosh even if you are in the good, that would royally suck to face charges and the legal costs and exposure that puts you in. Worse if it turns out you can’t prove your configuration is legal for you to own.

Now a cop at a range where some barely old enough to shave guy is there solo with an M4 clone...always a chance the cop might decide to get curious and ask a few questions. Most of us old or older guys, I just don’t see a cop wasting his time when possession is grandfathered in. It is instances where attention is drawn where you enter the danger zone.

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lazarus said:

The occasional news story pops up of someone getting pulled over in Maryland and getting charges for breaking FSA2013 for having an AR. Some are obvious where the possessor couldn’t have been of legal age to have had legal possession of a non-HBAR prior to the law going in to affect. Some have been old enough they could have legally owned one.

What the outcome of those cases ends up being, no F-ing clue. But gosh even if you are in the good, that would royally suck to face charges and the legal costs and exposure that puts you in. Worse if it turns out you can’t prove your configuration is legal for you to own.

Now a cop at a range where some barely old enough to shave guy is there solo with an M4 clone...always a chance the cop might decide to get curious and ask a few questions. Most of us old or older guys, I just don’t see a cop wasting his time when possession is grandfathered in. It is instances where attention is drawn where you enter the danger zone.

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Biggfoot44 said:

No , but .......

Your residence could be burgled , scene of other crime , scene of fire or medical emergency .

Your vehicle could be towed for number of reasons ( disabled in wreck, recovered after theft , you could have medical emergency while driving by yourself).

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rbird7282 said:

Do you really think police are checking stuff at ranges? They don’t give a crap what people have, they’ve got better things to do with their time


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Quartermaster1942 said:

From what I understand, due to the fact that a stripped lower is a regulated firearm, one would have to do a transfer at an FFL. The lower being part of a 77R is registered to the original purchaser. Just because it’s built into a rifle doesn’t make it a cash and carry rifle in the situation described because it could be built into a pistol. The only AR15s that are classified as rifles in primary and secondary sales are those that came from the factory and put onto the dealer’s shelf as a complete rifle.

When it comes down to it, best bet is to contact a couple Shops, get there opinion or even ring up the Licensing Division at MSP.

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Shore88 said:

Agree. That stripped lower has a serial number registered in my name. If I sell it, I darn sure want to make sure said serial number goes with the buyer.

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