Utah is missing!

TopTechAgent · May 11, 2014

I was researching this closely over the past week since I was planning my first trip to PA with my Utah permit. It appears Utah has moved from a Category 2 classification to a Category 4.

moojersey · May 11, 2014

wow this sucks. does PA issue non resident permits ?

rdc · May 11, 2014

AntiGun said:
Well, hell. I was just there a month ago with a handgun while camping.
I guess my choice of camping locations just got narrowed.

I was just carrying there a WHOLE LOT more recently than that. I'm pissed. My parents moved years ago to escape MD. Looks when I am finally able to move I might have to move farther awa from family. Horse shit.

moojersey · May 11, 2014

http://www.pafoa.org/law/carrying-firearms/concealed-carry/non-residents

google is my friend. guess we have to do this now?

moojersey · May 11, 2014

ok upon further review it looks like we would have to possess a MD permit first. so that rules out 99% of us. damn this is a bugger huh

rdc · May 11, 2014

moojersey said:
wow this sucks. does PA issue non resident permits ?

IIRC they only issue non-resident permits to people who,have a permit in their home state.

ADR · May 11, 2014

Consider this:

The website changed today? (On a Sunday that is also Mother's Day)

Even though Utah does show up in a different classification, there is no official press release from the PA. AG. that I saw. (They did a press release when they dropped VA, in fact, that one is still up.)

I'm not saying it didn't change but I would wait for official clarification before getting anxious about it.

moojersey · May 11, 2014

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184

well being that I don't see anything that specifically says they accept non resident Utah permits, I probably wouldn't carry there until they clarify what happened.

ADR · May 11, 2014

moojersey said:
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184

well being that I don't see anything that specifically says they accept non resident Utah permits, I probably wouldn't carry there until they clarify what happened.

All it takes is a phone call to the PA. AG. during normal business hours.

Keystone70 · May 11, 2014

I don't see a definition for what category 4 means. Doesn't really explain what the reciprocity status is? This is why I posted the issue

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bigdaddycoolfm · May 11, 2014

Am I understanding that we are all referring to Utah cwp ?

Mooseman · May 11, 2014

Gary Slider said they changed today. I know of no one that I trust more about such things.

rdc · May 11, 2014

Mooseman said:
Gary Slider said they changed today. I know of no one that I trust more about such things.

I don't doubt that they would get rid of UT non-resident. But why did they seemingly get rid if UT all together?

Keystone70 · May 11, 2014

I've read and re-read the PA statutes and can find no changes or anything in the law that would invalidate Utah permits.

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DC-W · May 11, 2014

If this is true, I'm not signing up for a class any time soon.

swinokur · May 12, 2014

The PA AG has the power to change reciprocity agreements. She did just that. The statute doesn't have to change

I put it here to get a little more exposure

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?p=3190249#post3190249

alucard0822 · May 12, 2014

Bloomburg's cupid stunt is at it again, lots of us have been pushing our reps to improve the reciprocity statute while the governor and both houses are pro-gun Republican, there is even a question weither her power to enter into agreements includes cancelling or severely altering them. There hasn't been much noise about a solution yet, but hopefully one that is both good and more permanent comes along shortly, or at least the next AG undoes everything she has screwed up.

ryan_j · May 12, 2014

rdc said:
I don't doubt that they would get rid of UT non-resident. But why did they seemingly get rid if UT all together?

UT was statutorily recognized based on a determination by the AG. The way PA reciprocity works is PA can only add conditions to reciprocity if they have an agreement. UT had no agreement. To get rid of the Utah "problem" they had to drop it entirely. What may happen is that UT may enter into an agreement but I don't know if Kane will play ball.

They similarly dropped Idaho.

Gary Slider · May 12, 2014

PA and UT did not have a signed agreement from my understanding. They just had a verbal mutual understanding.

Utah was listed under the following heading on the PA AG's page. When there is a signed agreement PA post that agreement so you can read it.

The following states have been granted statutory reciprocity without a formal written agreement under 6106(b)(15), based on the determination of the Attorney General that the other state has granted reciprocity to Pennsylvania license holders, and that the other state's laws governing firearms are similar.

Colorado
Iowa
Indiana
Kansas
Louisiana
Montana
North Dakota - Effective August 1, 2013 only North Dakota Class I permits are recognized in Category 2.
Wisconsin

Brooklyn · May 12, 2014

Utah is listed but not under reciprocity by agreement.
Its a category 4 what ever that is. Something changed but I am not sure what..

Anyone know a friendly pa legislator we can ask for clarification?

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