Who needs physically fit cops?

K.C.Dean · Jul 30, 2014

Can't you guys see where this is going? They get the requirements changed then the transgenders can say they are female so they should only have to pass as a female. Or am I being foolish in my twisted thinking?

bowoah · Jul 30, 2014

OrangeAgent27 said:
Couldn't run him down or couldn't keep up with him. I'm fairly fit and can outrun most. Personally I'd rather chase someone until they're too tired to fight than immediately tackle them and bring them to the ground.

Couldn't keep up to do anything he turned around n then started to bother me

traveller · Jul 30, 2014

Skins_Brew said:
The military MAKES you workout 3 times a week and there are still fat people in the military. The extra fat in the mil gets trimmed though (pun fully intended).

Some of the fat in the military gets trimmed through goverment funded weight-loss surgery. Most just seem to scoot by with waivers of all kinds.

If military or police organizations are not willing to enforce fitness standards down the line, it is hypocritical to enforce them at the point of hiring.

kgain673 · Jul 30, 2014

The MSP is just a baseline. If all you can do is the baselThe actual PT in the academy is intense.

Skins_Brew · Jul 30, 2014

traveller said:
Some of the fat in the military gets trimmed through goverment funded weight-loss surgery. Most just seem to scoot by with waivers of all kinds.

If military or police organizations are not willing to enforce fitness standards down the line, it is hypocritical to enforce them at the point of hiring.

My facts are a bit old (2008), but the navy was trimming your ass then. In the mid 2000s, if you failed enough PT tests they cut your ass out and gave you severance. I think the severance ship has sailed though.

There was this guy who was on my boat who was probably 300lbs, maybe 6'2". Fat as all hell. So fat he probably would not fit in FF gear. About a year after I got out I met up with some buddies who told me this guy paid for his own liposuction and they still kicked him out. Dude had like 15 years in too. They weren't messing around with fitness back then. I cannot speak for the current situation though.

Yellowhand · Jul 30, 2014

We have a fat little cop here in Denton who dresses in black paramilitary gear...looks like a mall ninja and has a really bad attitude. What he lacks in fitness he makes up for in motivation. You can tell by the way he walks he probably has a bug strapped to each ankle...

swinokur · Jul 30, 2014

Denton is over run with violent criminals. he's not taking any chances.

Blake_7.62 · Jul 30, 2014

tkd4life said:
Does anyone else love the irony of how our federal government is suing Pennsylvania for discriminating because it has the same standards for everyone. By definition, the federal government is suing for discrimination because the state is not discriminating amongst its recruits.

Only in America. I’ve got to chalk this one up as just another reason we deserve to fail as a nation.

fivepointstar · Jul 30, 2014

I wish I had applied to PSP....they are a damn good agency

MikeTF · Jul 30, 2014

Bean Guy · Jul 30, 2014

I was reading this thread and wondering when the donut jokes would start.

travistheone · Jul 30, 2014

I am not a LEO but I know many and am well versed in strength and conditioning.

In order to catch an average criminal in a foot chase, you had better be pretty damn fast. Adrenaline and motivation of staying out of cuffs can cause someone to run FAST.

Especially if they have the drop on you, hopping out of a cruiser or diverting attention from another activity.

Theoretically all that needs to be done is maintain a pace in order to keep line of sight and follow until the crook gets tired out. Fence hopping and other gymnastic feats require an entirely higher level of fitness that your average guy who pumps iron and jogs couldn't do in a repeatable fashion.

pbharvey · Jul 31, 2014

I don't understand why LEO & FF agencies don't have ongoing PT requirements. Public safety depends on their physical fitness. It seems like once you're in, you can get as fat as you want.

Skins_Brew · Jul 31, 2014

pbharvey said:
I don't understand why LEO & FF agencies don't have ongoing PT requirements. Public safety depends on their physical fitness. It seems like once you're in, you can get as fat as you want.

Unions.

traveller · Jul 31, 2014

pbharvey said:
I don't understand why LEO & FF agencies don't have ongoing PT requirements. Public safety depends on their physical fitness. It seems like once you're in, you can get as fat as you want.

There would be a lot of staff turnover in LE if they went that route.

highwayheat · Jul 31, 2014

PSP's standards are lower than my department when it comes to physical agility entry requirements. Our standards are for everyone and the are still easy in my opinion.

1. Push – Ups (muscular endurance) – The score is the number of push-ups performed in one minute (24 required).
2. Sit – Ups (muscular endurance) –The score is the number of bent leg sit-ups performed in one minute (28 required).
3. Flexibility (range of motion of lower back and hamstrings) –The score is in inches reached on a yardstick.
(16 inches required)
4. 1.5-Mile Run (cardiovascular capacity) –The score is in minutes and seconds (must be completed in 15.55 minutes or less).
5. Vertical Jump – The score is in inches reached on a yardstick (15 inches required)
6. 300 Meter Run – (cardiovascular capacity) – The score is in seconds (must be completed in 70.1 seconds or less).

joppaj · Jul 31, 2014

Skins_Brew said:
Unions.

This.

Skins_Brew · Jul 31, 2014

I think MPD has got it right. They test you on actual shit you would do on the job.

http://mpdc.dc.gov/page/physical-ability-test

It doesn't sound hard, but someone who is out of shape might have issues. I think this is just part of the recruting, not an annual test or anything. It should be though!

Boondock Saint · Jul 31, 2014

Inigoes · Jul 31, 2014

fivepointstar said:
I wish I had applied to PSP....they are a damn good agency

Extremely picky though.

I know quite a few good LEOs who applied (some several times), they aced everything, except for the psych test. That is the primary test that seems to weed out most of the candidates before being accepted.

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