CETME Model L (.223) in the US

wbw2123 · Feb 16, 2015

I am not looking at converting to an alternate FCG. I think one or two US made parts and the gun would be compliant. More important are the denial features to make it acceptable to the ATF. The denials needed are something to keep it from going into full auto and a something to keep the trigger pack from being exchanged for one that is unmodified. The unique think about this FCG design is that the sear and disconnector functions are achieved with one part. There is no sear to remove like in the HK trigger packs.

IMBLITZVT · Feb 16, 2015

wbw2123 said:
I am not looking at converting to an alternate FCG. I think one or two US made parts and the gun would be compliant. More important are the denial features to make it acceptable to the ATF. The denials needed are something to keep it from going into full auto and a something to keep the trigger pack from being exchanged for one that is unmodified. The unique think about this FCG design is that the sear and disconnector functions are achieved with one part. There is no sear to remove like in the HK trigger packs.

I really have not looked into this to much. I just got my kit friday and have not really taken the trigger pack apart yet.

I don't know I am going to jump as quick down this semi auto road before seeing some shooting guns. There seem to be enough kits here to make some demand and I don't know if I see a rush on this. That said if you are, maybe its worth looking into it more. Where do you live?

wbw2123 · Feb 16, 2015

IMBLITZVT said:
I really have not looked into this to much. I just got my kit friday and have not really taken the trigger pack apart yet.

I don't know I am going to jump as quick down this semi auto road before seeing some shooting guns. There seem to be enough kits here to make some demand and I don't know if I see a rush on this. That said if you are, maybe its worth looking into it more. Where do you live?

Also in Catonsville, so we should certainly discuss this over a beer sometime. I have barrels covered too.

IMBLITZVT · Feb 16, 2015

wbw2123 said:
Also in Catonsville, so we should certainly discuss this over a beer sometime. I have barrels covered too.

Awesome! Are you a member of the AGC?

ericoak · Feb 16, 2015

rsideout said:
Nice collection.

Not sure if you've considered this or not ......but for price you paid for 2 or 3 of those semi's/SBR's, you could step up to something full auto.

wbw2123 · Feb 16, 2015

IMBLITZVT said:
Awesome! Are you a member of the AGC?

Not a member, but certainly live close enough that I have been considering it.

jjones88 · Feb 16, 2015

Good to know you're both local I'm in Sykesville.

As for the FCG, just looks like that's one avenue people are going down to get the 922r compliance needed for the rifle.

But:
Barrel
Muzzle Brake
Mag
Follower
Receiver
Hand grip

Need 4 more?

IMBLITZVT · Feb 16, 2015

ericoak said:

Oh who let a Georgia boy on here!

wbw2123 said:
Not a member, but certainly live close enough that I have been considering it.

Well I can help with that!

I had a chance to read through things a little more. I am not in a big hurry here. I don't know if I am going to want to build this before the ATF approval comes back anyway. I have seen plenty of these semi autos get going to have ATF deny the approval for the semi design and you are left with a semi auto design thats not approved. Thats worse than no trying to get approval. I have also been stuck with receivers where ATF approval never came and someone made a lot of semi receivers and then never followed through. I am not saying thats at all whats happening here. However I also don't think this is one of those cases where you better get in first or you will be left holding the bag. I am sure APEX is going to be after this stuff to sell with their kits. Something tells me these kits will sell well at first to those who know what they are looking at. Then very slowly to those who have not heard of the gun before.

IMBLITZVT · Feb 16, 2015

jjones88 said:
Good to know you're both local I'm in Sykesville.

As for the FCG, just looks like that's one avenue people are going down to get the 922r compliance needed for the rifle.
...e?

Let see we have:
1. Receiver US MADE
2. Barrel US MADE
3. Barrel Extensions NONE
4. Trunnions SPANISH
5. Muzzle Attachments SPANISH
6. Bolts SPANISH
7. Bolt Carriers SPANISH
8. OP Rods SPANISH
9. Gas pistons SPANISH
10. Trigger housings SPANISH
11. Trigger SPANISH
12. Hammer SPANISH
13. Sears SPANISH
14. Disconnectors NONE
15. Buttstocks SPANISH
16. Pistol Grip SPANISH
17. Forearms SPANISH
18-20 Mag Parts. US MADE

So it seems to me that Trigger housing may be consider US made by the time we make it into a semi auto trigger pack. Flash hiders should be easy to do. I would imagine one of the FCG might also be easy. I would not want to do the furniture. I can just us AR15 mags... The Spanish mags are suppose to be crap anyway!!!

ericoak · Feb 16, 2015

IMBLITZVT said:
Oh who let a Georgia boy on here!

Squeal like a pig!

wbw2123 · Feb 16, 2015

IMBLITZVT said:
I had a chance to read through things a little more. I am not in a big hurry here. I don't know if I am going to want to build this before the ATF approval comes back anyway. I have seen plenty of these semi autos get going to have ATF deny the approval for the semi design and you are left with a semi auto design thats not approved. Thats worse than no trying to get approval. I have also been stuck with receivers where ATF approval never came and someone made a lot of semi receivers and then never followed through. I am not saying thats at all whats happening here. However I also don't think this is one of those cases where you better get in first or you will be left holding the bag. I am sure APEX is going to be after this stuff to sell with their kits. Something tells me these kits will sell well at first to those who know what they are looking at. Then very slowly to those who have not heard of the gun before.

I can appreciate your concerns. I am feeling a little more confident in this one because it shares many of the already well vetted FCG and denial features with the hk9x series. So far everything I've done has been old hat for most. I'm looking forward to being on the front lines of a build.

wbw2123 · Feb 16, 2015

IMBLITZVT said:
Let see we have:
1. Receiver US MADE
2. Barrel US MADE
3. Barrel Extensions NONE
4. Trunnions SPANISH
5. Muzzle Attachments SPANISH
6. Bolts SPANISH
7. Bolt Carriers SPANISH
8. OP Rods SPANISH
9. Gas pistons SPANISH
10. Trigger housings SPANISH
11. Trigger SPANISH
12. Hammer SPANISH
13. Sears SPANISH
14. Disconnectors NONE
15. Buttstocks SPANISH
16. Pistol Grip SPANISH
17. Forearms SPANISH
18-20 Mag Parts. US MADE

By my count there are only 17 parts. I don't think there is a gas piston for this one.

My US parts are:
Receiver
Barrel
Muzzle device
Magazine (3)

There are guys over a weaponsguild who are making both US hammers and pistol grips. That brings the parts count down to 9 foreign and should make it easy and give a choice of what to keep. I'm leaning toward changing the hammer instead of the grip.

erwos · Feb 18, 2015

Thinking about buying a kit next month, since it sounds like the situation vis a vis flats and 922r is being resolved. I can wait to build it if I just get the flat and 922r parts to go with the kit. (Not worried about running out of barrels anytime soon.)

wbw2123 · Mar 2, 2015

erwos said:
Thinking about buying a kit next month, since it sounds like the situation vis a vis flats and 922r is being resolved. I can wait to build it if I just get the flat and 922r parts to go with the kit. (Not worried about running out of barrels anytime soon.)

Erwos, know you are tied up with an m11/9, congrats by the way. Nevertheless, if you are also on weaponsguild, you should check out this listing. Barrels are scarce right now and these are already profiled, so this this isn't a bad deal.

http://www.weaponsguild.com/forum/index.php?topic=53728.msg730273;topicseen#new

erwos · Mar 2, 2015

I'm not a member, could you summarize?

wbw2123 · Mar 2, 2015

Listing is $420 for an apex "good" kit and an hkparts ptr93 profile barrel that has been turned for use with the cetme l. Barrel is threaded 1/2-28.for us made muzzle device. Kit is now $250 and barrel is around $180 when in stock add labor to profile and it's a pretty good deal.

IMBLITZVT · Mar 2, 2015

It will not let me see the page either. I am a signed in member too.

That said, I just ordered another kit from APEX. For $25 more you can get the better condition kit. I get a little picky on plastic furniture. I hate when its beat up. I am hoping the furniture on the next kit is a little better than the two good condition kits I got in. I might actually sell my good kit if anyone is interested. I will give you a deal you can't beat ordering from APEX.

ericoak · Mar 2, 2015

They sent the magazine?

smdub · Mar 2, 2015

They'll ship the kit/mags out of state.

wbw2123 · Mar 2, 2015

I think the link was for a post count restricted area.

Try this one.

http://www.weaponsguild.com/forum/index.php?topic=52787.msg730312#msg730312

If you already have kits, it may not be worth it. If you don't have a lathe, getting the barrel profiled is the biggest task, when they come back in stock.

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