Yet another reason why 2A sanctuaries are pointless

Muleskinner · Feb 22, 2020

Yes this is from Virginia and yes I know things are done a bit differently in Maryland...but it shows the vindictiveness of democrats in general. I am sure our liberals in Assapolis are no better. They would find a way to punish your 2A safe place...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...8GlfSLa4pqcRk_VUXSYu2dy7fpUzFH6re0GS-ZzyjXUtM

Doco Overboard · Feb 22, 2020

Seems like a Northern tactic. Register as a republican in some districts and see how it goes for you.

Hit and Run · Feb 22, 2020

Muleskinner said:
Yes this is from Virginia and yes I know things are done a bit differently in Maryland...but it shows the vindictiveness of democrats in general. I am sure our liberals in Assapolis are no better. They would find a way to punish your 2A safe place...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...8GlfSLa4pqcRk_VUXSYu2dy7fpUzFH6re0GS-ZzyjXUtM

Totally disagree, that States fast and vast sanctuary movement more than likely stopped the most draconian laws being proposed in VA. A strong message was sent. They were ready for a fight and not going to go along. Won't be surprised now if at least one legislative chamber is now taken back, reinforced by this vindictive move.

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nedsurf · Feb 22, 2020

I doubt voting to not give a pay raise will make most abandon their position. They are messing around with a group of people strongly driven by principle and a sense of order. It will mostly serve to bring more people to the voting booth to pull the handle for someone to replace democrat representatives. Even more so, deputies and police in general along with their family will be voting as a block for someone other than democrats.

Muleskinner · Feb 22, 2020

Hit and Run said:
Totally disagree, that States fast and vast sanctuary movement more than likely stopped the most draconian laws being proposed in VA. A strong message was sent. They were ready for a fight and not going to go along. Won't be surprised now if at least one legislative chamber is now taken back, reinforced by this vindictive move.

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Nothing has stopped. The AWB failed and now they are promising to introduce it again next session and they intend to ADD MORE FIREARMS to the banned list. Everything (and then some) will be back in play next session (after the gerrymandering) but that wasn't the point of this post. The democrats are petty and vengeful. The Virginia legislature might have a small amount of trepidation in regards to 2A supporters. A rally of 22,000 armed gun owners might cause that...Here in Maryland the democrats outwardly laugh at the rallies in Assapolis when the best we can do on a good day is MAYBE a thousand or so. They do not fear us. Maryland is also 70% democrat. The counties and towns that adopt a 2A sanctuary status are likely to feel the wrath. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be done anyway...in fact the spirit of the idea is a good one...just don't be surprised if the local LEOs don't abide by the sanctuary status when push comes to shove.

Muleskinner · Feb 22, 2020

nedsurf said:
I doubt voting to not give a pay raise will make most abandon their position. They are messing around with a group of people strongly driven by principle and a sense of order. It will mostly serve to bring more people to the voting booth to pull the handle for someone to replace democrat representatives. Even more so, deputies and police in general along with their family will be voting as a block for someone other than democrats.

It depends. There were some LEOs posting on the VCDL page that said exactly what you did..I can see it going both ways. I also do not believe this is the last bill that will be "payback" for the 2A sanctuary status. I foresee funding being withheld at the very least. There is also already a pre-filed bill for the 2021 session that would charge any LEO that refuses to enforce these new laws with a crime. But that's in Virginia. You aren't going to find too many Maryland LEOs who will honor your 2A sanctuary status rendering it nothing more than ink on paper..

nedsurf · Feb 22, 2020

Muleskinner said:
...just don't be surprised if the local LEOs don't abide by the sanctuary status when push comes to shove.

That didn't work too well for George 3. Saslaw and Northam are distant, out of touch rulers as much as the crazy king was.

Alea Jacta Est · Feb 22, 2020

Funny how things work. The Dims are gone full boat stupid here. They’ve played every card they can and are opening new decks whilst changing the rules. These are not the sharpest spoons in the drawer. You can bet your rosy red arse that Bloomie’s and Soreass’s minions are hard at work devising all kinds of creative illegal immoral workarounds.

This is truly a battle against tyranny and liberty...right in Virginia. Sic Semper Tyrannis being tested where it started.

Republicants must run. They must organize. They must give a shit.

The alternative is UGLY

Allen65 · Feb 22, 2020

Muleskinner said:
The AWB failed and now they are promising to introduce it again next session and they intend to ADD MORE FIREARMS to the banned list. Everything (and then some) will be back in play next session (after the gerrymandering) but that wasn't the point of this post. The democrats are petty and vengeful.

Of course they'll introduce it again, and again. And it'll lose again and again for the same reason. Adding additional items to ban won't make it more palatable for passage.

The antis had been prepping for this session since Northam was elected. They gave it everything they had, and lost on their most important bills. That loss was against a Pro-2A side that had been blindsided by an election where many districts had Antis running unopposed because of Rep Party incompetence by not putting up candidates. And at the same time the most effective Pro-2A lobbying and organizing entity was self-destructing from corrupt, self-serving leadership.

Next session, the Pro side will be better organized and ready. Maybe the NRA can un-@ss themselves in time, maybe not. But this year proves NRA can be out of the fight and we can still win. And then there's SCOTUS and NSYRPA, which will play out one way or another by summer.

This session proves there are enough Dems in purple or red Senate districts that don't want to lose their seats in the next election that even an extremely well funded and professionally organized Anti lobbying effort didn't sway them.

The fight will go on, but in VA the Pro side weathered the worst the Antis could throw at them and the Pros are still standing.

jefflac02 · Feb 22, 2020

So the Dems are vengeful and won’t give pay raises to law enforcement because of their support for 2A sanctuaries?

How do they think law enforcement will react when the legislators want their draconian laws enforced?

Short term sacrifice, long term gain.

If these actions in the VA gov don’t get folks organized against them for the next election cycle. I don’t know what will.

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Allen65 · Feb 22, 2020

Jefflac said:
If these actions in the VA gov don’t get folks organized against them for the next election cycle. I don’t know what will.

There appears to be a lot of grassroots organizing going on. But the institutions need to contribute, too. Especially the Republican Party in the form of finding electable candidates for every district.

Docster · Feb 22, 2020

Hit and Run said:
Totally disagree, that States fast and vast sanctuary movement more than likely stopped the most draconian laws being proposed in VA. A strong message was sent. They were ready for a fight and not going to go along. Won't be surprised now if at least one legislative chamber is now taken back, reinforced by this vindictive move.

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^^THIS is what Sanctuary counties/states do for us

Hit and Run · Feb 22, 2020

Muleskinner said:
Nothing has stopped. The AWB failed and now they are promising to introduce it again next session and they intend to ADD MORE FIREARMS to the banned list. Everything (and then some) will be back in play next session (after the gerrymandering) but that wasn't the point of this post. The democrats are petty and vengeful. The Virginia legislature might have a small amount of trepidation in regards to 2A supporters. A rally of 22,000 armed gun owners might cause that...Here in Maryland the democrats outwardly laugh at the rallies in Assapolis when the best we can do on a good day is MAYBE a thousand or so. They do not fear us. Maryland is also 70% democrat. The counties and towns that adopt a 2A sanctuary status are likely to feel the wrath. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be done anyway...in fact the spirit of the idea is a good one...just don't be surprised if the local LEOs don't abide by the sanctuary status when push comes to shove.

And when they lose one chamber, it's all over.

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Lloyd · Feb 22, 2020

Hit and Run said:
Totally disagree, that States fast and vast sanctuary movement more than likely stopped the most draconian laws being proposed in VA. A strong message was sent. They were ready for a fight and not going to go along. Won't be surprised now if at least one legislative chamber is now taken back, reinforced by this vindictive move.

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Docster said:
^^THIS is what Sanctuary counties/states do for us

I second this.

Muleskinner said:
Nothing has stopped. The AWB failed and now they are promising to introduce it again next session and they intend to ADD MORE FIREARMS to the banned list. Everything (and then some) will be back in play next session (after the gerrymandering) but that wasn't the point of this post. The democrats are petty and vengeful. The Virginia legislature might have a small amount of trepidation in regards to 2A supporters. A rally of 22,000 armed gun owners might cause that...Here in Maryland the democrats outwardly laugh at the rallies in Assapolis when the best we can do on a good day is MAYBE a thousand or so. They do not fear us. Maryland is also 70% democrat. The counties and towns that adopt a 2A sanctuary status are likely to feel the wrath. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be done anyway...in fact the spirit of the idea is a good one...just don't be surprised if the local LEOs don't abide by the sanctuary status when push comes to shove.

Perhaps, but we live in today and depsite whatever happens tomorrow, a message was sent and was received making it harder for the tactics of tomorrow to gain support.

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44man · Feb 22, 2020

Getting local ( county) governments to recognize and consider themselves 2a friendly is a huge step in my opinion and I see no downside. Will it protect us from these luny socialist democrats? Idk , but it’s better than doing nothing or just bitching on the net

Just my 2c

calicojack · Feb 22, 2020

2A sanctuaries are pointless - really? Really? I think ANYTHING that supports 2A is worth it. I really don't get the defeatist attitude around here. This is one reason VA went socialist.

Just like I am told don't bother writing you rep because they won't listen to you anyways. Silence with no opposition emboldens.

dblas · Feb 22, 2020

nedsurf said:
That didn't work too well for George 3. Saslaw and Northam are distant, out of touch rulers as much as the crazy king was.

Three of them in Maryland already don't abide by the "2A Sanctuary" status that their respective county leadership passed.

Nothing has changed in Maryland and nothing will until elected officials start being affected directly.

dblas · Feb 22, 2020

Allen65 said:
Of course they'll introduce it again, and again. And it'll lose again and again for the same reason. Adding additional items to ban won't make it more palatable for passage.

The antis had been prepping for this session since Northam was elected. They gave it everything they had, and lost on their most important bills. That loss was against a Pro-2A side that had been blindsided by an election where many districts had Antis running unopposed because of Rep Party incompetence by not putting up candidates. And at the same time the most effective Pro-2A lobbying and organizing entity was self-destructing from corrupt, self-serving leadership.

Next session, the Pro side will be better organized and ready. Maybe the NRA can un-@ss themselves in time, maybe not. But this year proves NRA can be out of the fight and we can still win. And then there's SCOTUS and NSYRPA, which will play out one way or another by summer.

This session proves there are enough Dems in purple or red Senate districts that don't want to lose their seats in the next election that even an extremely well funded and professionally organized Anti lobbying effort didn't sway them.

The fight will go on, but in VA the Pro side weathered the worst the Antis could throw at them and the Pros are still standing.

The NRA has never really been effective in VA, VCDL has been the bulldog in that state for 2A rights. Even if NRA does get their shit together, VCDL will still be the 800 pound, 2A, gorilla in VA.

dblas · Feb 22, 2020

Docster said:
^^THIS is what Sanctuary counties/states do for us

Only if the Constitutionally elected officials are willing to stand up and follow through. To date, none of the three current jurisdictions in Maryland, or the Constitutionally elected officials have done that since 2A sanctuary bills passed by them in 2013.

Passing it is one thing, having the balls to stand up for it is another, and thus far, none of the three counties in Maryland that are "2A Sanctuaries" have had the balls.

JPG · Feb 22, 2020

I wish I could believe that these 2A sanctuary areas would follow through with what they say in public and private regarding their high regard to our rights.

What I see are these same law enforcement enforcing the sanctuary city laws for illegal aliens, by letting them out of custody and back into the general population so they can commit crimes again. This is where I don’t see the 2A language they say they will live up to. If they let criminals that have been arrested and have a warrant from ICE or some other Fed agency, I don’t see them not enforcing any 2A laws any state legislatures pass.

Yet another reason why 2A sanctuaries are pointless

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