If the ATF comes knocking on your door

Slackdaddy · Dec 19, 2020

Talk to the folks that head up our local MD gun rights organization.
They approached MGA about increasing penilties for using a gun in commission of a felony.
The MGA had NO interest in that, I think they said "they did not want to alienate our people" (I am probably getting the quote wrong)

Bottom line is "The Left" will never enforce penalties against felons,, they are only interested in disarming the conservative or self reliant class.

Muleskinner said:
I am 100 percent against removing people's gun rights due to "poor personal choices" However I am for criminal penalties so terrible that people might think twice before using a gun to commit a crime...10 years for brandishing in the commission of a crime (including implying), no early release. 25 years for discharging in the commission of a crime with no early release.50 years for shooting someone who survives, no early release, life in prison for shooting and killing someone during the commission of a crime, no chance of early release and death for killing someone with a gun if the shooting was pre meditated or multiple victims.

AND make all gun crimes federal offenses so these turn style state courts that refuse to prosecute gun crime would be by passed..

Doctor_M · Dec 19, 2020

When we become felons, will they then support our continued armament?

Allen65 · Dec 19, 2020

Doctor_M said:
When we become felons, will they then support our continued armament?

Only if you live in a Blue state and can claim some sort of victimhood.

Doctor_M · Dec 19, 2020

Does being a moustached burly lesbian trapped in a man's body count?

pcfixer · Dec 19, 2020

Muleskinner said:
To confiscate your 80% frame or receiver...

https://blog.princelaw.com/2020/12/...rame-or-receiver-under-protest/#comment-99638

The ATF will not know unless someone advertise's. There are not enough
local or state police to go knocking at everyone's door.
As yes, any police or sheriff will need a warrant to enter. 4A

Sirex · Dec 19, 2020

Just shoot thru the door, then apply for a presidential pardon.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/28/biden-advises-shooting-shotgun-through-door

pcfixer · Dec 19, 2020

Sirex said:
Just shoot thru the door, then apply for a presidential pardon.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/28/biden-advises-shooting-shotgun-through-door

Yes, just like him. Stupid and irresponsible.

RJRjr · Dec 19, 2020

JimB said:
I’m old and tired of the crap. That is a step too far. I’m going down swinging.

#me too

rbird7282 · Dec 19, 2020

Doctor_M said:
When we become felons, will they then support our continued armament?

That’s when they disarm everyone except the government

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whistlersmother · Dec 19, 2020

For those "going down swinging", consider instead that John has a long mustache...

Blaster229 · Dec 19, 2020

RegularJay said:
Im going to suppose that the Officer may have been concerned that a bad guy came in through the garage and was holding your wife at gunpoint while you were instructed to get rid of the cops. Maybe not, but my scenario is not out of the question.

This is why we need to learn how to blink in morse code.

Vile Shadow · Dec 19, 2020

"I believe in the second amendment but...."

He'll be sayin the rest of that to my backside while Im walking away, cuz likely the next sentence will be "nobody needs an "assault weapon"

spoon059 · Dec 19, 2020

Tungsten said:
How long would a homeowner be given to read a warrant? Are they given a minute or two to read it? Is it just put in their hands as they are moved out of the way? How does that typically go?

You have all the time in the world to read it... AFTER I have secured the house and started the search.

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cstone · Dec 19, 2020

RegularJay said:
Im going to suppose that the Officer may have been concerned that a bad guy came in through the garage and was holding your wife at gunpoint while you were instructed to get rid of the cops. Maybe not, but my scenario is not out of the question.

You watch a lot of action movies don't you? :lol2:

Muleskinner · Dec 19, 2020

pcfixer said:
The ATF will not know unless someone advertise's. There are not enough
local or state police to go knocking at everyone's door.
As yes, any police or sheriff will need a warrant to enter. 4A

Why do you think they're doing these raids for the most part they're only interested in the sales records. If you've bought something from any of these companies they know what you got. If you have something that they are changing the definition of you're quite likely to get a visit. Don't answer the door..

Mark75H · Dec 20, 2020

Sales/purchase does not equal possession. If that went forward, there would be class action suit after class action suit. If they tried nullifying such, the next round comes on police and VIP's that happen to be on the purchase lists but not locked up with the general public on the lists. If it gets to using the lists, but editing them for VIP's both sides are screwed.

We will see how far the wheels turn on this.

SharpShoooter · Dec 23, 2020

Don't answer the door. If you do, do not invite them in, do not agree to any search. Do not even talk to them. At most tell them you will not speak to them without a lawyer present. Pretty much all you need to say. If they have a warrant, nothing you can do anyway and they will come right in and search. Doesn't look like these knocks have warrants though. Looks like they are knocking on doors and see who will openly incriminate themselves.

Alea Jacta Est · Dec 23, 2020

Doctor_M said:
Does being a moustached burly lesbian trapped in a man's body count?

Gonna need a second opinion on the burly bit...from someone not your wife or boyfriend. ;-)

Doctor_M · Dec 23, 2020

I leave that to history to decide

mdlowrider · Dec 23, 2020

I’m In

JimB said:
I’m old and tired of the crap. That is a step too far. I’m going down swinging.

Amen, brother. Me too.

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