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Old February 17th, 2020, 10:58 AM #11
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When I bought my 2" S&W in .38 special, it was primarily because the caliber had been used by law enforcement for many decades and had proven to have sufficient power for their needs. In addition, the recoil is light enough to allow the shooter to reacquire the target quickly for follow up shots until the threat is neutralized.

Today, when I hear a bump in the night that needs investigation, the .38 is what I grab. I have never had a revolver jam, and 6 rounds should be sufficient for most threats.

For concealed carry, my preference would be the G26 because of the 10+1 capacity or something smaller like a 9x18mm P-64 with a 6+1 capacity. In the past, the .38 was my carry gun, but it is really too large and heavy for concealed carry with so many other options available, today.

Whatever your choice, MexicanBob has said it best: "In the end...choose whatever type and caliber handgun you can best carry concealed and use competently. Practice...tactics...train...repeat."
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Old February 17th, 2020, 12:03 PM #12
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I've got a Taurus 617 (7 round .357) with a 2" barrel. It is my bump in the night gun. While shooting .357s in it is fun sometimes, the recoil and fireball are a bit more then I'd want to deal with in the middle of the night. Same gun is very accurate with .38s and has much lighter recoil. When it isn't at the range, it is loaded with .38s.
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Old February 17th, 2020, 03:24 PM #13
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In uniform we carried 4" S&W Model 15, .38 Spl +P+, 125 gr JHP, and plain clothes, 2.5" S&W Model 19, .357 Mag. 125 gr JHP. Shot the same courses with both and with a little practice most people shot similar scores with either handgun. When we transitioned, we all got 3.9" barrel semi-autos chambered in .357 SIG, 125 gr JHP. Initially most people's scores dropped some. Lots of reasons were discussed for the cause in the drop, but it wasn't significant and eventually people who liked to shoot brought their scores back up.

For me the biggest difference was going from a uniform belt with a drop holster to an OWB pancake and then finally years later settling on an IWB hybrid. Turns out the 1.5" difference in barrel length didn't really matter for me. The cant and height of the holster caused me more of an issue in establishing a consistent grip on the draw.

You will never regret carrying rounds not needed, but the majority of self defense shootings are; 3 rounds, 3 seconds, 3 yards (or less). Anything you carry that you can consistently, 100% of the time get fist size groups with those three constraints, regardless of environment, should get you through life...as long as you make the correct decisions in when/if you need to use it, and make the decision with the correct timing.

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Old February 17th, 2020, 04:31 PM #14
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When I bought my 2" S&W in .38 special, it was primarily because the caliber had been used by law enforcement for many decades and had proven to have sufficient power for their needs. In addition, the recoil is light enough to allow the shooter to reacquire the target quickly for follow up shots until the threat is neutralized.

Today, when I hear a bump in the night that needs investigation, the .38 is what I grab. I have never had a revolver jam, and 6 rounds should be sufficient for most threats.

For concealed carry, my preference would be the G26 because of the 10+1 capacity or something smaller like a 9x18mm P-64 with a 6+1 capacity. In the past, the .38 was my carry gun, but it is really too large and heavy for concealed carry with so many other options available, today.

Whatever your choice, MexicanBob has said it best: "In the end...choose whatever type and caliber handgun you can best carry concealed and use competently. Practice...tactics...train...repeat."
WADR why would your bedside gun be a snubbie when carry considerations are N/A? I would think that a Glock 20,21, or 17 (or similar) w/ light and laser/night sights would be my hi cap grab it and investigate handgun. The snubbie would be the one I slip into a pocket to walk the dog, kill snakes (both types) or CC.

I am struggling w/ the best drop in the pocket gun and like the 32 bobcat (6), or Bull pup 9 @ 5"L or the Bond arms "Roughneck" in 357/38 (2) at 4". Any suggestions are welcome since a G19 is too heavy and might make the neighbors nervous.
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The only 357 mag i have is a mod 19 2.5”. Does look really nice. Never shot a 357 magnum load in it ( did try 6 in a kimber snub revolver with wood stocks once when a so called friend handed it to me at the range. Was not enamored.
Was carrying the G33 for the last week and stopped by the range yesterday. Used to shoot this gun a lot but haven’t for 10 mos when i switched to my wife’s G43 after she got a p365.
Draw and fire 2x-3x the 33 is harder to shoot than a small 9 like the 43 or the p365. But no where near as hard to shoot ( cold with no practice) as the kimber. Still, if someone feels the need for that sort of magnum power, wouldn’t 10 in the 357 sig beat 5-6 in the snub and the recoil is tamer in the glock though that’s subjective. But confidence in what you carry or depend on is probably number 1.
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No, you are not.

Snubbies suck. They are too much of a compromise. You may as well go to 9x19mm out of the Glock 26, as mentioned, because it's lighter and you get more capacity in a smaller and lighter package with less performance loss. If you're only going to have 5-8 rounds in a revolver, you may as well shoot magnum ammunition. That means at least a 3" barrel, preferable one that is four to six inches, and at least a medium frame like that of the S&W 686 or Ruger GP100.

If you're going to carry a 686 or GP100, you may as well upgrade to an N-Frame with Herretts Stocks Jordan Troopers cut to grip frame length. You can take advantage of the 627/327 eight round capacity in 357 Magnum in a lighter weight alloy frame package. The size difference is negligible in the areas that matter at the expense of a slightly larger cylinder that still fits under the same loose shirt you were wearing with the 686/GP100.

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"Anyone who thinks a revolver is more reliable than a semiauto has never run a police line."
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Seriously people, stop with the revolver propaganda.

I like my revolvers as much as anyone else, but we shouldn't be lying about them. Several authors, including Grant Cunningham, came up with lists of reasons to use a revolver. Any time someone starts spewing the revolver nonsense, I cut them off with:

"No justification is necessary. I like my revolvers and use them for defense. However, they have many weaknesses that semiautos lack and lying about them does nobody any favors."
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The only 357 mag i have is a mod 19 2.5”. Does look really nice. Never shot a 357 magnum load in it ( did try 6 in a kimber snub revolver with wood stocks once when a so called friend handed it to me at the range. Was not enamored.
I shot mine with 357 Magnum. It was not pleasant. I hated it so much that I replaced the 2 1/2" gun with one with a 4" barrel. I am much happier now.
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I've got a Rossi 2" snubbie n 357 mag. Shooting 357 mag is kind of comical. Massive blast and fireball. Not very pleasant in the hand. 38s are fine, but probably lose too much velocity. I'll stick to the Glock 26 for CCW any day.
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I shot mine with 357 Magnum. It was not pleasant. I hated it so much that I replaced the 2 1/2" gun with one with a 4" barrel. I am much happier now.
But it sure is a pretty gun, that 2.5Ē.
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No, you are not.

Snubbies suck. They are too much of a compromise. You may as well go to 9x19mm out of the Glock 26, as mentioned, because it's lighter and you get more capacity in a smaller and lighter package with less performance loss. If you're only going to have 5-8 rounds in a revolver, you may as well shoot magnum ammunition. That means at least a 3" barrel, preferable one that is four to six inches, and at least a medium frame like that of the S&W 686 or Ruger GP100.

If you're going to carry a 686 or GP100, you may as well upgrade to an N-Frame with Herretts Stocks Jordan Troopers cut to grip frame length. You can take advantage of the 627/327 eight round capacity in 357 Magnum in a lighter weight alloy frame package. The size difference is negligible in the areas that matter at the expense of a slightly larger cylinder that still fits under the same loose shirt you were wearing with the 686/GP100.



"Anyone who thinks a revolver is more reliable than a semiauto has never run a police line."
--Chuck Haggard

Seriously people, stop with the revolver propaganda.

I like my revolvers as much as anyone else, but we shouldn't be lying about them. Several authors, including Grant Cunningham, came up with lists of reasons to use a revolver. Any time someone starts spewing the revolver nonsense, I cut them off with:

"No justification is necessary. I like my revolvers and use them for defense. However, they have many weaknesses that semiautos lack and lying about them does nobody any favors."
There is an undeniable advantage to revolvers, particularly for women. You can shoot them from inside a purse or pocket reliably. While shooting from inside a purse isnít the greatest situation, if my wife or sister needed to use the gun I want them to be able to use it there if someone has them in their grasp.
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