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Old June 11th, 2020, 12:40 PM #61
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fwiw I know a police captain of a local force who told me he never has given back a firearm that was given over in similar circumstances. Told me he just sends them to be destroyed and tells people to sue the department if they complain and has never had any backlash. We have had many conversation about this but he won't budge. I consider him a good guy and we agree on most everything else in life. For him it's just self preservation and not wanting to be the guy who gave the guns back to a person with bad intentions. The ultimate cya I suppose.. I sincerely hope you get yours back and I would follow the advise above, document everything and nag them each and everyday taking names, certified mail etc...
No respect for the constitution or the people he is supposed to serve. My Daddy always said we are judged by the company we keep.
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Old June 11th, 2020, 12:54 PM #62
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Note to self for my playbook:disagree with someone- call them names.

I’m not going to get into defending him but would wager he’s risked his life here and abroad more than some of those who would judge and call names based on this one position. He is a good guy in my book, you see I have this innate ability to remain civil with people whom I disagree.

A name I’d consider calling some of you would be ‘keyboard warriors’ but won’t and move on.


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Note to self for my playbook:disagree with someone- call them names.

I’m not going to get into defending him but would wager he’s risked his life here and abroad more than some of those who would judge and call names based on this one position. He is a good guy in my book, you see I have this innate ability to remain civil with people whom I disagree.

A name I’d consider calling some of you would be ‘keyboard warriors’ but won’t and move on.


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As someone who has served this country, I can speak to the "risked his life here and abroad more than some of those who would judge and call names based on this one position".

The service and protection to the country, does not over ride his failure to uphold the oath he took not once but twice. If he can't see that, then he is not a good person. I, as a veteran, do not consider him a brother because of his failure to keep his oath, as well as his flaunting of breaking both state and federal law, without consequence to him.
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fwiw I know a police captain of a local force who told me he never has given back a firearm that was given over in similar circumstances. Told me he just sends them to be destroyed and tells people to sue the department if they complain and has never had any backlash. We have had many conversation about this but he won't budge. I consider him a good guy and we agree on most everything else in life. For him it's just self preservation and not wanting to be the guy who gave the guns back to a person with bad intentions. The ultimate cya I suppose.. I sincerely hope you get yours back and I would follow the advise above, document everything and nag them each and everyday taking names, certified mail etc...
He’s an asshole and I hope he loses his job at the very least. He should be arrested and charged. Fvck him.
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fwiw I know a police captain of a local force who told me he never has given back a firearm that was given over in similar circumstances. Told me he just sends them to be destroyed and tells people to sue the department if they complain and has never had any backlash. We have had many conversation about this but he won't budge. I consider him a good guy and we agree on most everything else in life. For him it's just self preservation and not wanting to be the guy who gave the guns back to a person with bad intentions. The ultimate cya I suppose.. I sincerely hope you get yours back and I would follow the advise above, document everything and nag them each and everyday taking names, certified mail etc...
I had something written out, but as I often do, i delted it and typed this more PC reply instead.
Others have summed it up pretty good. He would be no friend of mine.
You are on a 2a forum and have that guys as a friend.
Your about me says "lifetime nra member".
Your friend is no friend of 2a.
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Old June 12th, 2020, 01:46 AM #67
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I had something written out, but as I often do, i delted it and typed this more PC reply instead.
Others have summed it up pretty good. He would be no friend of mine.
You are on a 2a forum and have that guys as a friend.
Your about me says "lifetime nra member".
Your friend is no friend of 2a.
I also type and delete my initial thoughts regularly in order to keep things civil and hopefully have a positive discourse. I just wonder if people with such stances even speak to their own family members if they disagree on a few things. If you can't be friends with someone you disagree with do you disown your family too? MI'm pretty sure most are not usually the same as they come off from behind keyboard but more power to you if you are so principled,
Throughout history people with such strong inflexible standards usually contribute to the fall of the system or cause they are attempting to promote or elevate -ever heard of Paul- then again he did make Apostle so you guys could be onto something.

and just for fun lets just disregard and cast out people and the 10's of thousands donated to said 2A groups, volunteering teaching kids how to shoot, hunter safety, standing as a reference for WC and other state/federal applications for many others, countless range officer hours donated and not to mention risking life and limb for over 40 years daily yeah no friend of mine... oh and lets not forget repeated testimony and letters written to MGA.

I posted to give the OP some indication of how some of these guys think and to remind him to document and wish him well in case he hits some bumps in the road. Real life experience is usually better than someones opinion in my experience- or we can just call the police names and say how corrupt they are and protest- oh wait.....
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As someone who has served this country, I can speak to the "risked his life here and abroad more than some of those who would judge and call names based on this one position".

The service and protection to the country, does not over ride his failure to uphold the oath he took not once but twice. If he can't see that, then he is not a good person. I, as a veteran, do not consider him a brother because of his failure to keep his oath, as well as his flaunting of breaking both state and federal law, without consequence to him.
D I appreciate your point which is why I give him so much shit on the regular but for me to conclude, not a good person, is a stretch for me based on the entirety of things. I also have respect for the way you carry yourself online and in person.
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fwiw I know a police captain of a local force who told me he never has given back a firearm that was given over in similar circumstances. Told me he just sends them to be destroyed and tells people to sue the department if they complain and has never had any backlash. We have had many conversation about this but he won't budge. I consider him a good guy and we agree on most everything else in life. For him it's just self preservation and not wanting to be the guy who gave the guns back to a person with bad intentions. The ultimate cya I suppose.. I sincerely hope you get yours back and I would follow the advise above, document everything and nag them each and everyday taking names, certified mail etc...
Permit me to dogpile on your police captain, with a short quote from the BoR:

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Amendment 4
- Protection from Unreasonable Searches and Seizures

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.
He sadly typifies the LEO mentality of seizing property which might conceivably have come from a criminal act, and keeping it. The government has gone way overboard with this, and with seizing real property under Eminent Domain.

We have a government with considerably more power that originally intended, and it uses its powers in a manner that is at odds with the controlling document which defines its authority.

Your acquaintance is, for all his good intentions, truly an enemy of the people.
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D I appreciate your point which is why I give him so much shit on the regular but for me to conclude, not a good person, is a stretch for me based on the entirety of things. I also have respect for the way you carry yourself online and in person.
Plenty of people who are good in the eyes of friends or family do things to strangers that are not good. A truely good person realizes they are in the wrong, changes, and tries to make things right. Somebody who refuses to see that they are doing something that is wrong has a serious character flaw that needs to be addressed. I'm sorry you think we are going overboard about this, but if you weren't friends with him and heard about this would you really think he is a good person?
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