HQL denied to to Medical Marijuana Card?

Doctor_M · Aug 2, 2022

I'm going to take a contrarian view here. We all know the rules of the game. You can have weed or you can have guns, but currently you can't have both. Life is about choices. Make a choice and move on. If you want or feel you need MM, go ahead, but my choice would be to avoid anything that put my firearms rights in jeopardy.

Matlack · Aug 2, 2022

Dems could legalize it tomorrow if they wanted too. There are enough Senate Republicans that would let this get attached to some mega bill to pass.

There are several reasons they don't:
1) Dems campaign on it.
2) it's easier to control a society in a mental haze than not. That is why it's legal on a state level.
3) it also gives them control over other things like job and Rights.

aray · Aug 2, 2022

omegared24 said:
FWIW...I'm actually open to making all drugs legal and just treating them like alcohol when it comes to driving or public intoxication.

But therein lies a big problem. Alcohol has clear BAC roadside tests that have stood the test of time, science, and legal scrutiny.

Not so for THC. There is no test, valid in all 50 states, that comes anywhere close to that for DUI. As an individual who has had a close family member killed by a stoner on the highways, I well understand the tragic impact on *others* this has. It is *not* a victimless crime.

Yes, drunks gonna drive and those on dope gonna do the same. But the former can be prosecuted; the latter is harder and in many cases impossible.

rseymorejr · Aug 2, 2022

Mr. Ed said:
Out of curiosity, would that be a straw purchase? Asking for a friend.

No, you can smoke straw without a card.

omegared24 · Aug 2, 2022

aray said:
But therein lies a big problem. Alcohol has clear BAC roadside tests that have stood the test of time, science, and legal scrutiny.

Not so for THC. There is no test, valid in all 50 states, that comes anywhere close to that for DUI. As an individual who has had a close family member killed by a stoner on the highways, I well understand the tragic impact on *others* this has. It is *not* a victimless crime.

Yes, drunks gonna drive and those on dope gonna do the same. But the former can be prosecuted; the latter is harder and in many cases impossible.

That's not exactly true. Saliva tests exist that are pretty damn accurate and can give a positive result in minutes. With time, those tests will improve. Breathalyzers weren't exactly accurate when first implemented but that changed over time. If the market presents itself then someone will create that accurate test.

I'm sure our breathalyzers wouldn't be where they are if a market didn't exist.

Chumm · Aug 2, 2022

I tried to log into the MM site using my normal credentials. It didn't recognize my login information or my email used on the site to change my password. Maybe I'm already clear?

lazarus · Aug 2, 2022

Beastmode1985 said:
A straw purchase marijuana? Hell if know I would take my chances with that versus a handgun lol I will prefer to be legally armed and then just get the weed however I get it

It's not straw, its weed.

A straw purchase is for something else. But also make sure you are getting straw. Because if you get hay by accident when you mean to get straw, you will get weeds in the end.

lazarus · Aug 2, 2022

aray said:
But therein lies a big problem. Alcohol has clear BAC roadside tests that have stood the test of time, science, and legal scrutiny.

Not so for THC. There is no test, valid in all 50 states, that comes anywhere close to that for DUI. As an individual who has had a close family member killed by a stoner on the highways, I well understand the tragic impact on *others* this has. It is *not* a victimless crime.

Yes, drunks gonna drive and those on dope gonna do the same. But the former can be prosecuted; the latter is harder and in many cases impossible.

It generally is not that difficult to prove that someone was under the influence of drugs if they cause an accident and if often done today.

For ills, DUIs deaths and accidents from alcohol are several times higher than ALL other drugs combined. Yay we can hold people accountable, but if we actually want to do the most good, ban alcohol consumption as it isn't stopping people from driving drunk.

outrider58 · Aug 2, 2022

aray said:
But therein lies a big problem. Alcohol has clear BAC roadside tests that have stood the test of time, science, and legal scrutiny.

Not so for THC. There is no test, valid in all 50 states, that comes anywhere close to that for DUI. As an individual who has had a close family member killed by a stoner on the highways, I well understand the tragic impact on *others* this has. It is *not* a victimless crime.

Yes, drunks gonna drive and those on dope gonna do the same. But the former can be prosecuted; the latter is harder and in many cases impossible.

It's not just THC. I wish it were that simple. He said ALL drugs. Opioids, hallucinogenics like LSD and PCP, etc.

I personally am strictly opposed to that. How many innocents will perish before that anarchy experiment works itself out?

outrider58 · Aug 2, 2022

Doctor_M said:
I'm going to take a contrarian view here. We all know the rules of the game. You can have weed or you can have guns, but currently you can't have both. Life is about choices. Make a choice and move on. If you want or feel you need MM, go ahead, but my choice would be to avoid anything that put my firearms rights in jeopardy.

That same line popped into my head earlier today. No one's holding a gun to anyone's head, it's either A or B. Pick one...

eruby · Aug 2, 2022

outrider58 said:
That same line popped into my head earlier today. No one's holding a gun to anyone's head, it's either A or B. Pick one...

Unless you're thug-life, gangsta, bad-boy Beastmode1985.

:party29:

Alea Jacta Est · Aug 2, 2022

welder516 said:
I am sure Hunter Biden thinks he was a recreational user

Exactly. What would Hunter do?

jet307 · Aug 2, 2022

christy20657 said:
So I guess we just spent a bunch of money for nothing....we were just told by the state police that are going to be denied due to the fact that we are "habitual" users of Medical Marijuana. I said first of, habitual implies that I use marijuana due to a habit, I use it occasionally along with CBD for a medical condition (scleroderma) rather than be on Oxy's or Percs or other narcotics.

So I guess our choice is:

A. Turn in the MM Card and start taking Percs, Oxy and whatever narcotics they will throw at us AND THEN we can possess a handgun.

B. Continue with our MM usage for medical purposes and load up on rifles, shotguns, sling shots, bow and arrow or whatever the hell else we want to just NOT a handgun.

I also did not see this one the Maryland licensing website, the website of the instructor for the HQL class nor did they address it in class.

Any thoughts on this????

How did they even know? Doesn't Hipa or whatever it is protect your medical info?

jet307 · Aug 2, 2022

Alea Jacta Est said:
Exactly. What would Hunter do?

Oh they'd grant Hunter one same day

Burt Hammersmith · Aug 2, 2022

outrider58 said:
It's not just THC. I wish it were that simple. He said ALL drugs. Opioids, hallucinogenics like LSD and PCP, etc.

I personally am strictly opposed to that. How many innocents will perish before that anarchy experiment works itself out?

Can you provide a drug law that is proven to stop people from doing drugs?

To me it seems like people going to do drugs regardless of what’s legal.

outrider58 · Aug 2, 2022

Shorebilly said:
Can you provide a drug law that is proven to stop people from doing drugs?

To me it seems like people going to do drugs regardless of what’s legal.

You would be incorrect. As soon as it is legalized, (ab)use will increase. Every place it's been tried, it's increased.

We're not talking about banning bowling. We aren't even talking about banning drug use. We are talking about prohibiting drug abuse. San Fransisco should be a bit of a clue...

Mark75H · Aug 2, 2022

Matlack said:
Dems could legalize it tomorrow if they wanted too. There are enough Senate Republicans that would let this get attached to some mega bill to pass.

There are several reasons they don't:
1) Dems campaign on it.
2) it's easier to control a society in a mental haze than not. That is why it's legal on a state level.
3) it also gives them control over other things like job and Rights.

Liquor lobby. Every sip of spirits and every gulp of beer is a penny to keep smoke illegal

Burt Hammersmith · Aug 2, 2022

outrider58 said:
You would be incorrect. As soon as it is legalized, (ab)use will increase. Every place it's been tried, it's increased.

We're not talking about banning bowling. We aren't even talking about banning drug use. We are talking about prohibiting drug abuse. San Fransisco should be a bit of a clue...

People still do drugs and abuse them and die at a massive level. These laws aren’t for protecting people, they’re for keeping the prison industrial complex packed with legal slaves.

We have to be able to make our own decisions in life. If someone wants to try drugs and dies… that’s on them. They’re not so “ innocent” if they fire up the crack pipe and take one to the dome and kick the bucket for doing so. Innocent would be like little jimmy eating an ice cream cone and someone laced it with dope. Pretty sure that’s already illegal

Mark75H · Aug 2, 2022

If you think prisons are effective slave labor, please visit one. Far less effective than most government programs.

ADR · Aug 2, 2022

Shorebilly said:
People still do drugs and abuse them and die at a massive level. These laws aren’t for protecting people, they’re for keeping the prison industrial complex packed with legal slaves.

We have to be able to make our own decisions in life. If someone wants to try drugs and dies… that’s on them. They’re not so “ innocent” if they fire up the crack pipe and take one to the dome and kick the bucket for doing so. Innocent would be like little jimmy eating an ice cream cone and someone laced it with dope. Pretty sure that’s already illegal

Dafuq are you talking about? You must have a relative on the inside playing to your sympathies to get you to put money on the books.

You've obviously never been inside a prison and seen those "legal slaves" playing X-Box, watching TV, attending all kinds of BS programs funded by tax payers, getting copious amounts of meds they don't need, etc... Played that game for a couple of years before switching to LE and there are others here I'm sure still work inside that will back up what I'm saying.

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