Does castle extend to ur vehicle

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  • spoon059

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 1, 2018
    5,340
    I think we can just assume that in MD and the question involves the use of a firearm...the answer is no...it's illegal until proven otherwise.
    And even then, it depends on the county you're in...

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    Crazytrain

    Certified Grump
    MDS Supporter
    Jul 8, 2007
    1,641
    Sparks, MD
    It should extend to your vehicle, your office, your business, your property, or any place you would legitimately use as a refuge. In an ideal world it would extend that far. Maryland is not ideal.

    On a similar note, in an ideal world you should not be required to retreat from an aggressor at all. It gives the bastards the power. I will never understand why we should give precedence to the safety and well being of folks who go out of their way to makes us less safe and less well.

    I will never understand when people say "it's only money" or "your car" or whatever. It isn't just stuff. That stuff is a direct result of your effort. If you spend a part of your life earning the money to buy something, when that something is stolen, the thieves stole that part of your life.
     

    Name Taken

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 23, 2010
    11,891
    Central
    I would be interested to see if the courts would look at the "readily mobile" part from Carroll and recent curtilage cases.

    Basically applies to RV's being hooked up to water/electric or blocked up. The courts have extended it to vehicles that weren't mobile in other cases.

    Of course this is an "in the weeds" conversation and likely wouldn't be decided until appeals. If it is a vehicle the answer is simple...if it is a RV style vehicle it certainly can get murky.
     

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    32,884
    Generally , when an RV is in being driven , it is treated as a moter vehicle .

    When stationary , there is more state to state variation . Most conservatively , if being used for purposes of sleeping , etc it is your temporary residence . Some states specifically include more protections , such as when being used as a place of business .
     

    cornstalk

    Active Member
    Mar 13, 2013
    138
    In MD does ur castle extend to your vehicle if u are in it and someone tries to enter against ur will?
    When I lived in MD I considered all my legal options. You aren't allowed to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle, and only on your way to and from the range, store where you bought it, hunting, etc., locked up and separated from the ammo.

    However, as far as I know there are no restrictions against archery equipment. There are some repeating crossbows, but you'd have a hard time stowing one under your seat.

    I don't know the legality of muzzle loaders. If they aren't restricted, maybe you could have a loaded 1858 in your car. They worked in the OK Corral. I'd be curious to see a discussion on this.

    I now live in a less communist state where it is legal to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle, no license required, and if you're not a felon, you can easily get a CC permit.
     

    outrider58

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    Jul 29, 2014
    49,818
    Ur of the Chaldees was Abraham's home town. I don't think they had castle doctrine there.


    Please do not substitute "u" and "ur" for "you" and "your." There is no excuse for it. It is annoying and creates a bad impression. Your reader thinks less of you for it.

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    lemmdus

    Active Member
    Feb 24, 2015
    380
    No. You shouldn't have a loaded gun in your car if you are in the Socialist republic unless you where granted such a right by the Oberfuhrer of the State Police to wear and carry a firearm.
     
    Mar 23, 2016
    30
    Carroll County
    To anyone asking that question, also consider it and any of your responses rephrased coming at you from a MD prosecutor... can you justifiably use deadly force in self defense of a perceived forcible felony (armed carjacking, kidnapping)? What if you don't have a MD CCW permit? Could you have driven and removed yourself from the situation without putting yourself in more danger? Did you instigate/provoke the interaction? Is the level of response justified for the perceived threat? What can you reasonably prove?

    Serious questions with immediate life, death, and future freedoms on the line... Ones to take seriously for those who carry. Carry insurance and the associated knowledge and legal resources provided are with looking into as well... And a dashcam!

    Well this situation seems pretty cut and dry...I wonder if this woman really had a carry permit. If she didn’t then we all know her name would have been included in article. But since she did, her name was not...that just strikes me as odd, unless she did not have carry permit and perception issue of charging a woman for that in this type of situation...there’s a couple articles I found about this but none have victim’s name.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...squeegee-kids-baltimore-police-say/ar-AAJjjpR.
     

    dblas

    Past President, MSI
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 6, 2011
    13,087
    When I lived in MD I considered all my legal options. You aren't allowed to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle, and only on your way to and from the range, store where you bought it, hunting, etc., locked up and separated from the ammo.

    No where in state law is the firearm required to be locked, nor separate from the ammo. As a matter of fact, per the AG, it is perfectly legal to keep loaded magazines in the same case as the firearm.

    And the law on transport only applies to handguns, not rifles and shotguns.

    However, as far as I know there are no restrictions against archery equipment. There are some repeating crossbows, but you'd have a hard time stowing one under your seat.

    I don't know the legality of muzzle loaders. If they aren't restricted, maybe you could have a loaded 1858 in your car. They worked in the OK Corral. I'd be curious to see a discussion on this.

    I now live in a less communist state where it is legal to carry a loaded firearm in your vehicle, no license required, and if you're not a felon, you can easily get a CC permit.
     

    DanGuy48

    Ultimate Member
    No where in state law is the firearm required to be locked, nor separate from the ammo. As a matter of fact, per the AG, it is perfectly legal to keep loaded magazines in the same case as the firearm.

    And the law on transport only applies to handguns, not rifles and shotguns.

    Isn’t it correct that the requirement for separate storage during transport for firearm and ammo is to comply with federal law when transporting across state lines?
     

    Allen65

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Jun 29, 2013
    7,063
    Anne Arundel County
    Isn’t it correct that the requirement for separate storage during transport for firearm and ammo is to comply with federal law when transporting across state lines?

    For regulated firearm (i.e. handgun) transport, MD law requires it be unloaded, and in a "case or enclosed holster".

    For long guns, no case is necessary, just that it be unloaded. Except in Baltimore City, where IIRC there is a grandfathered transport law for long guns that predates state pre-emption requiring them to be cased.
     

    rbird7282

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    MDS Supporter
    Dec 6, 2012
    18,538
    Columbia
    Isn’t it correct that the requirement for separate storage during transport for firearm and ammo is to comply with federal law when transporting across state lines?


    If you are going through a state. Marylanders traveling to Virginia for instance, need to follow the transport laws of each state while there. FOPA wouldn’t apply there. If you were going from MD to Florida then FOPA would apply


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    lazarus

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 23, 2015
    13,680
    For regulated firearm (i.e. handgun) transport, MD law requires it be unloaded, and in a "case or enclosed holster".

    For long guns, no case is necessary, just that it be unloaded. Except in Baltimore City, where IIRC there is a grandfathered transport law for long guns that predates state pre-emption requiring them to be cased.

    Montgomery county requires the same (must be cased).

    Crossbows and muzzleloaders must be unloaded (Natural Resources law, but it doesn't say while hunting. It is in or on a vehicle. Period). Same with long guns.

    For crossbows, not having a bolt on the track is sufficient to make it unloaded (Doesn't have to be uncocked). For a ML, the priming system disabled is sufficient (IE no powder in the pan for a flintlock, or primer removed from a percussion cap/center fire ML).
     

    Pinecone

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    Feb 4, 2013
    28,175
    Isn’t it correct that the requirement for separate storage during transport for firearm and ammo is to comply with federal law when transporting across state lines?

    No.

    FOPA 86 requires that either the firearm case OR the ammo container be locked, IF the vehicle does not have a separate trunk. Like an SUV or minivan. If there is a separate trunk, firearms and ammo can be both in the trunk, with nothing locked.

    And that only applies to travel THROUGH a state. So transport from MD to VA, you need to meet MD and VA rules.

    If you transport between MD and NC, and meet FOPA requirements through VA, even if you don't meet VA requirements, that is an affirmative defense.
     

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