When to Apply for MD Carry Permit

teratos · Nov 13, 2021

Texasgrillchef said:
The NYSPRA ruling will change all 8 states Permitting laws. But to get them to issue won’t be overnight. My point was that cases in Maryland are allready pending waiting on the NYSPRA ruling. So Maryland law and issuing of LTC’s will happen much sooner than some of the other states that don’t have pending suits allready filed.

California, Hawaii, Connecticut, New Jersey and Rhode Island are some of the other states with LTC cases being stayed waiting on the NYSPRA ruling.

Some think albeit wrong that all 8 may issue states will start issuing LTC’s the day after the ruling comes out. They won’t though.

But having cases allready pending and stayed until the ruling speeds the process up.

This will be easy. Maryland will simply strike “good and substantial”. They will need to issue to all applicants who don’t have a criminal history or have been adjudicated to be mentally ill. The tough part will be for MSP to handle. They will HAVE to change their procedure.

teratos · Nov 13, 2021

Texasgrillchef said:
That maybe so, but getting the state to issue you the LTC is another story

See DC.

Darkemp · Nov 13, 2021

teratos said:
This will be easy. Maryland will simply strike “good and substantial”. They will need to issue to all applicants who don’t have a criminal history or have been adjudicated to be mentally ill. The tough part will be for MSP to handle. They will HAVE to change their procedure.

Would imagine quite the backlog after this and not the streamlined 45-60 day they’ve currently achieved- could see it taking 6 months for permits to be issued at that point.

Darkemp · Nov 13, 2021

Mark392001 said:
Would imagine quite the backlog after this and not the streamlined 45-60 day they’ve currently achieved- could see it taking 6 months for permits to be issued at that point.

Would probably open a lot of potential for those certified to train the 16hr course- could be a good business opportunity.

teratos · Nov 13, 2021

Mark392001 said:
Would imagine quite the backlog after this and not the streamlined 45-60 day they’ve currently achieved- could see it taking 6 months for permits to be issued at that point.

A right delayed is a right denied.

teratos · Nov 13, 2021

Mark392001 said:
Would probably open a lot of potential for those certified to train the 16hr course- could be a good business opportunity.

The 16 hour training will be the next lawsuit.

This excludes lower income people from exercising their right to defend themselves. The HQL does as well, but this is even more expensive and more difficult to access for folks.

camo556 · Nov 13, 2021

Texasgrillchef said:
That maybe so, but getting the state to issue you the LTC is another story

MD law they must issue within 90 days, see upthread. it's codified by statute. MD will comply.

Darkemp · Nov 13, 2021

teratos said:
The 16 hour training will be the next lawsuit.

This excludes lower income people from exercising their right to defend themselves. The HQL does as well, but this is even more expensive and more difficult to access for folks.

I agree about the cost prohibitive nature for some for a basic civil right, but hopefully those pursuing will seek training and experience as they develop at varying levels of proficiency.

teratos · Nov 13, 2021

Mark392001 said:
I agree about the cost prohibitive nature for some for a basic civil right, but hopefully those pursuing will seek training and experience as they develop at varying levels of proficiency.

Agree.

dblas · Nov 13, 2021

Mark392001 said:
If you’re referring to the Woolard case it was March of 2012 and it did not change the outcomes for those who applied in that window- or at least not for me at that time.

Actually it did, in a way, instead of doing the statutory 60 days, MSP held those applications until the request for appeal was heard, at which point they actually worked with those that submitted the applications. So, yes, MSP will make whatever changes are required by federal law, almost immediately, without the need for additional lawsuits.

dblas · Nov 13, 2021

Texasgrillchef said:
The NYSPRA ruling will change all 8 states Permitting laws. But to get them to issue won’t be overnight. My point was that cases in Maryland are allready pending waiting on the NYSPRA ruling. So Maryland law and issuing of LTC’s will happen much sooner than some of the other states that don’t have pending suits allready filed.

While there are indeed 2 cases in the 4th Circuit, only Call v Jones III would be a directly affected case. And MSP would more than likely already start making changes based on the SCOTUS decision, as proven in past issues, with fine dtail adjustments made with a ruling in Call. Call is actually what will cause the legislature to make new law.

MSI V Hogan is an HQL case and the ruling from SCOTUS on the level of scrutiny would affect that case.

Texasgrillchef said:
California, Hawaii, Connecticut, New Jersey and Rhode Island are some of the other states with LTC cases being stayed waiting on the NYSPRA ruling.

Some think albeit wrong that all 8 may issue states will start issuing LTC’s the day after the ruling comes out. They won’t though.

But having cases allready pending and stayed until the ruling speeds the process up.

They won't the next day, but since we are talking MD, MSP will hav new guidance out in less than a week. They have in the past and that was when they were less friendly than they are now.

dblas · Nov 13, 2021

Texasgrillchef said:
That maybe so, but getting the state to issue you the LTC is another story

No it's not, see my reply above.

teratos · Nov 13, 2021

dblas said:
Actually it did, in a way, instead of doing the statutory 60 days, MSP held those applications until the request for appeal was heard, at which point they actually worked with those that submitted the applications. So, yes, MSP will make whatever changes are required by federal law, almost immediately, without the need for additional lawsuits.

People don’t fully grasp the gravity of a SCOTUS decision. Especially a decision on an Amendment to the BoR. There is no wiggle room. Arrest someone under a statute just found to be Unconstitutional and you lose your qualified immunity. Same thing happens to prosecutors. That’s a big deal. Ask Officer Pope.

When Wrenn was found in “our” favor, people went to DC and openly carried handguns….without a permit. D.C. police were instructed NOT to arrest them.

dblas · Nov 13, 2021

Mark392001 said:
Would imagine quite the backlog after this and not the streamlined 45-60 day they’ve currently achieved- could see it taking 6 months for permits to be issued at that point.

They would streamline the process to meet the 60 day time frame. They have in the past and can do so in the future.

dblas · Nov 13, 2021

Mark392001 said:
Would probably open a lot of potential for those certified to train the 16hr course- could be a good business opportunity.

This lawsuit is already queued up and ready to go by MSI.

Darkemp · Nov 13, 2021

dblas said:
They would streamline the process to meet the 60 day time frame. They have in the past and can do so in the future.

I’m sure they could, it’s a much more streamlined process today than it was in 2012.

AliasNeo07 · Nov 13, 2021

We don't even have a victory in SCOTUS yet, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I think that once MD realizes more people will be carrying, the laws restricting where arms can be carried will get worse. Right now it isn't all that bad (assuming you can get a permit.) Schools, government buildings, etc.

They'll probably try to restrict the hell out of it.

Mark75H · Nov 13, 2021

And any "victory" also depends on the exact verbage of the SC decision. There are still many possible outcomes.

rambling_one · Nov 13, 2021

What’s the consensus regarding MD keeping the 2 year, 3 year renewal cycle? Common sense suggests they’d be better off going to the standard 5 year issue cycle.

camo556 · Nov 13, 2021

rambling_one said:
Common sense suggests they’d be better off going to the standard 5 year issue cycle.

Since when are gun laws based on common sense.

why would they go to 5 years when they can drain your wallet 2.5x faster at 2 yrs?

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