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Biden does it again! State Dept. Bans Russian Guns and Ammo
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cotman68
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I had some 7.62x39 in my shopping cart at a reasonable price last night and walked away before completing the transaction... went back to complete this morning and there wasn't a round to be had.
Yup, just did some quick poking around. It went from 33-35cpr for a lot of guys in a case quantities and now it’s all gone. Nothing less than 50cpr and most is way higher if anyone has it.
I guess I am now really glad I only have my SKS. I’d be super pissed if I owned other stuff in it. I’ve got at least a case of steel for it. Probably more like 1300-1500 rounds. Another 300-400 rounds of brass cases stuff. Just grabbed 100 primed cases, new, and 500 primed pulls that are questionable. But looks like it should be able to reuse about 400-450 of the cases. Sadly all I have is 250 bullets I can load up. I bet .311 bullets are going to go from very hard to find right now to unobtanium. But at least that’s likely not going to be a problem for a long time. And easier for domestic manufacturers to ramp up bullet manufacture with demand than it is anything else.
I guess we might find out in a couple of years what the real demand and pricing is for domestic 7.62x39 and 5.45x39 brass cased non-hunting ammo is.
Or if the state department ban doesn’t extend to components, watch all the guys tool up lines to load steel cases and import all of those in shipping containers worth.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 30,925
I've always considered Russian ammo to be cheap crap anyway - steel cases, c'mon, that's just wrong.
Supply, meet demand.
These are heady times for manufacturers. If the ban lasts, it might contribute to increased manufacturing capacity, which is not a bad thing. Still, massive capital equipment purchases can be risky in a volatile, regulated market.
Supply, meet demand.
These are heady times for manufacturers. If the ban lasts, it might contribute to increased manufacturing capacity, which is not a bad thing. Still, massive capital equipment purchases can be risky in a volatile, regulated market.
Trumpet
SCSC/NRA life member. MSI member
- Oct 29, 2005
- 2,083
Yep. Arms the Taliban, disarms us.
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smokey
2A TEACHER
- Jan 31, 2008
- 31,508
Just my 2 cents but we holler about commies and how bad they are to our society and way of life. Now people are pissed because we cannot buy their ammo any more? WTF, we should not by their crap any way which also helps their economy. Sounds hypocritical to me.
I guess nobody here shoots 9mm parabellum since that was developed by the Germans and used by the Nazis, right? Same silly logic.
Wangbadan
Big Wang
- Jul 15, 2021
- 85
Agreed. People are happy to put on a big show about it but as soon as they have to endure even the tiniest minor inconvenience (paying slightly more for American made ammo), they show that they have no true conviction. Imagine if these hypocrites actually had to deal with any real hardship. Laughable!!
-big Wang
The reality is that over the past few decades, the commies are becoming capitalists and the capitalists are becoming commies.........
I never understood this logic, because we all have Chinese products in our houses and in our possessions and 9 times out of 10 the cell phone we use comes from China, the US makes billions of dollars per year dealing with Communist China, and it’s OK for them to deal with commies when it’s in their interest. We’ve done nearly $100 billion with Vietnam last year alone, a communist country we went to war with and we literally bought and set a record in March for over 23 million barrels of crude imported from Russia, the most since 2010 I’m quite sure a lot people aren’t aware how much oil we are currently buying from mother Russia.
So again me purchasing Russian ammo a case here and there, don’t think I shed a tear or feel unpatriotic one bit, that’s how capitalism work everybody does what’s best for their pockets including all Democratic governments.
smokey
2A TEACHER
- Jan 31, 2008
- 31,508
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You and I have very different definitions of “slightly more.” I’ve only been enjoying 7.62x39 firearms since the beginning of 2017 when I purchased a Vz58. In my admittedly limited time of 4.5 years with the cartridge, I don’t recall seeing American x39 for much less than double. I recall about a 3-5 day period in 2018 or 2019 when GECO brass cased and boxer primed 7.62x39 (not American but theoretically not Russian ammo) was 35-37 cpr at TargetSportsUSA, which was pretty good. Russian steel cased was about 20-25 CPR, which made it painful but doable to not buy Russian ammo. The math completely goes out the window for 5.45x39 ammo, as it’s just not made in quantity here in the states. The only non Russian ammo I have been able to find in 5.45 was hornady steel cased, but they used Russian cases. and Ukrainian 5.45 which was just modified tracer rounds that had mediocre accuracy.
At any rate, hopefully the market provides a solution that screws over Russia and gets us cheap ammo again. I don’t like the idea of subsidizing the Russian military industrial complex anymore than I like having all my electronics made in China. About the only solution I see working is if someone with skin in the game like JJE/PSA is able to purchase the equipment, materials, and vodka to load and sell cheap ammo.
A few thoughts.
5.45x39 is dead now, at least until sanctions are lifted. The only remaining current source is Hornady. I don't know if the Romanians or Bulgarians still produce 5.45x39 or if they're just burning through communist-era stockpiles while they rearm with 5.56x45, but I've never seen commercial exports except from Russia. I guess it is POSSIBLE that imports from the CIS states could happen, but I suspect most of those are banned from import/export anyways. You know Wolf and Century are going to be looking damned hard for any new sources, so maybe we'll get lucky, but short-term and even medium-term, it's going to be ugly.
7.62x39 is a better situation. There are other sources for that. Steel-cased 6.5 Grendel and 300 AAC - not so much. My 6.5 Grendel upper is now... not as much of a winner.
Ukraine used to export ammo from Lugansk Cartridge Works. Unfortunately, LCW was functionally destroyed years ago back in 2014-2015. Don't expect Ukrainian ammo anytime soon. The Ukrainians can barely produce enough for themselves.
The ammo panic is probably extended out another 6 months, minimum.
This thing about repacking Russian ammo is called "bypassing sanctions", and no one's going to be risking that given how badly the US government dropped the hammer on ZTE and some others.
5.45x39 is dead now, at least until sanctions are lifted. The only remaining current source is Hornady. I don't know if the Romanians or Bulgarians still produce 5.45x39 or if they're just burning through communist-era stockpiles while they rearm with 5.56x45, but I've never seen commercial exports except from Russia. I guess it is POSSIBLE that imports from the CIS states could happen, but I suspect most of those are banned from import/export anyways. You know Wolf and Century are going to be looking damned hard for any new sources, so maybe we'll get lucky, but short-term and even medium-term, it's going to be ugly.
7.62x39 is a better situation. There are other sources for that. Steel-cased 6.5 Grendel and 300 AAC - not so much. My 6.5 Grendel upper is now... not as much of a winner.
Ukraine used to export ammo from Lugansk Cartridge Works. Unfortunately, LCW was functionally destroyed years ago back in 2014-2015. Don't expect Ukrainian ammo anytime soon. The Ukrainians can barely produce enough for themselves.
The ammo panic is probably extended out another 6 months, minimum.
This thing about repacking Russian ammo is called "bypassing sanctions", and no one's going to be risking that given how badly the US government dropped the hammer on ZTE and some others.
Bertfish
Throw bread on me
I agree that 5.45 is in trouble for sure
- May 5, 2008
- 1,999
There was Romanian imported before, hopefully again. Just don't panic.
Of course you did. lol.
Not that there was much in the way of components before. I’ll just wait till someone has pills at a reasonable price some day. I’ve got awhile to worry about.
News flash communism is a form of government and capitalism is a type of economic system.
You can have a capitalistic communist country. You can have an authoritarian capitalistic society. You can have a democratic socialist society. Or a democratic capitalistic society.
The nazis were authoritarian capitalists (not a very traditional capitalist system, but the means of production were in private hands, not in government hands). The Chinese today are communist capitalists. They used to be communist socialists. The soviets had been communist socialists. Today they are kleptocratic capitalists.
The US is borderline authoritarian capitalistic system, been changing from a Democratic capitalist system.
Sweden is a Democratic socialist system.
That said all of them have different extremes. One is not 100% one or the other. For example, even is Soviet Russia, private businesses existed even if it was mostly just small ones. In the US some functions are run by the government such as some segments of health care, part of the postal system, etc.
A true unlimited capitalist society would have no functions operated by the government. Police would all be private, no government built roads, etc. obviously no society is really THAT far to capitalistic. In a true unlimited socialist society no private business would exist. Not even independent fruit vendors on the street or farmers.
No society is 100% anything.
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