Interesting CCW Automobile Comment

johnkn · Oct 4, 2021

I just saw a comment by a Maryland CCW permit holder I thought was interesting:

“And in Maryland if you have it (firearm) off your person (in a vehicle) and “not concealed” it is considered in transport mode and must be separate from the magazine”

The () above are mine for context....

DanGuy48 · Oct 4, 2021

johnkn said:
I just saw a comment by a Maryland CCW permit holder I thought was interesting:

“And in Maryland if you have it (firearm) off your person (in a vehicle) and “not concealed” it is considered in transport mode and must be separate from the magazine”

The () above are mine for context....

I agree, interesting. It does make some sense, be curious what those more knowledgeable of the vagaries of Maryland law have to say. Just another way to get tripped up in Maryland.

yeehall · Oct 4, 2021

MD permit doesn't care about concealed or not concealed. If you have a permit to carry, that includes loaded transport whether concealed or not concealed.

Mark75H · Oct 4, 2021

I believe this is untested in court, but I bet MSP wouldn't like to chance it.

camo556 · Oct 4, 2021

yeehall said:
MD permit doesn't care about concealed or not concealed. If you have a permit to carry, that includes loaded transport whether concealed or not concealed.

Darkemp · Oct 4, 2021

johnkn said:
I just saw a comment by a Maryland CCW permit holder I thought was interesting:

“And in Maryland if you have it (firearm) off your person (in a vehicle) and “not concealed” it is considered in transport mode and must be separate from the magazine”

The () above are mine for context....

Nope- untrue. The transportation element does not apply to a W&C permit holder at all as long as they are within any restrictions listed on the permit. The only transportation element that still applies to permit holders is the prohibition on rifles or shotguns being loaded.

dblas · Oct 4, 2021

johnkn said:
I just saw a comment by a Maryland CCW permit holder I thought was interesting:

“And in Maryland if you have it (firearm) off your person (in a vehicle) and “not concealed” it is considered in transport mode and must be separate from the magazine”

The () above are mine for context....

Two things...

1. As mentioned above, W&C permit does not have to worry about the transportation element in Maryland.

2. Perfectly legal to have the firearm and loaded magazine in the same case. The magazine cannot be loaded into the firearm.

Occam · Oct 4, 2021

dblas said:
2. Perfectly legal to have the firearm and loaded magazine in the same case. The magazine cannot be loaded into the firearm.

As long as you’re not in Rockville or Baltimore, right?

Darkemp · Oct 4, 2021

Occam said:
As long as you’re not in Rockville or Baltimore, right?

If you’ve got a W&C you can with a handgun. Or was that comment about rifles?

Darkemp · Oct 4, 2021

How about the debate over W&C while driving down 295 south of 175- that example was brought up in my class and is much more murky.

rbird7282 · Oct 4, 2021

Mark392001 said:
How about the debate over W&C while driving down 295 south of 175- that example was brought up in my class and is much more murky.

What does 295 have to do with anything?

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Darkemp · Oct 4, 2021

rbird7282 said:
What does 295 have to do with anything?

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We were told it is USGOV property and the question is does it fall under prohibited space as a result. My W&C instructor thought so, I’m not so certain through.

TheOriginalMexicanBob · Oct 4, 2021

The B-W Parkway is patrolled by the US Park Police as it's federal jurisdiction. It may be concurrent jurisdiction with the state but they would likely enforce federal law.

johnkn · Oct 4, 2021

So you are suggesting it’s illegal to WC on the BW Parkway? From the Capital Beltway north toward Baltimore?

Googling BW Parkway firearm permits, I see National Capital parks (BW parkway) As of February 22 2010 a new federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under federal, state or local laws to legally possess “in this park”.

dblas · Oct 4, 2021

Occam said:
As long as you’re not in Rockville or Baltimore, right?

State pre-emption.

dblas · Oct 4, 2021

Mark392001 said:
How about the debate over W&C while driving down 295 south of 175- that example was brought up in my class and is much more murky.

It's a Federal Park, and as such, Federal parks recognize carrying by persons who can legally carry in the state the park is located in.

Occam · Oct 4, 2021

dblas said:
State pre-emption.

Referring to rifles in this case, since that was brought up.

slsc98 · Oct 4, 2021

Discussions like this always percolate the same sentiment into my conscious thought:

… “Fvck MD.”

Darkemp · Oct 4, 2021

johnkn said:
So you are suggesting it’s illegal to WC on the BW Parkway? From the Capital Beltway north toward Baltimore?

Googling BW Parkway firearm permits, I see National Capital parks (BW parkway) As of February 22 2010 a new federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under federal, state or local laws to legally possess “in this park”.

Not sure it’s designated as a park and covered under that stature and yes our instructor did suggest it was illegal south of 175 even with the W&C.

camo556 · Oct 4, 2021

Mark392001 said:
Not sure it’s designated as a park and covered under that stature and yes our instructor did suggest it was illegal south of 175 even with the W&C.

https://www.nps.gov/articles/firearms-in-national-parks.htm

In areas administered by the National Park Service, an individual can possess a firearm if that individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm and if the possession of the firearm complies with the laws of the state where the park area is located. 54 U.S.C. 104906.

As of February 22, 2010, Section 512, Credit CARD Act of 2009*(54 USC § 104906*and*Title 36 Chpt. 1 Part 2 § 2.4) took effect changing federal law to make park firearm regulations reflect state law. For example, if a state allows open carry and/or concealed carry or loaded/unloaded firearms in vehicles, carrying a firearm or possessing loaded/unloaded firearms in a vehicle is allowed in a National Park in that state.

Per 18 U.S. Code § 930, park buildings (visitor centers, ranger stations, offices, fee collection buildings, and maintenance facilities, etc.) are still federal facilities and off-limits to firearms.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/federal-ccw-law/other-federal-locations/

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