ATF to declare that AR Pistols are AOW

smokey · Oct 29, 2020

MaxVO2 said:
*****I know two people who work for the ATF who believe most every firearm, short of an old flintlock or single shot shotgun should be basically regulated and taxed through NFA. They will gladly enforce confiscation, after buybacks presumably fail to turn in the majority of the guns out there in private citizens hands. They are both screaming libs and are just waiting for Biden/Harris to win, and get the ball rolling. Yes, they own firearms themselves but they are "Professionals, with training" so I guess that makes it ok for only military and law enforcement to have guns but civilians or private citizens - not so much...

People like this, in positions of influence and enforcement, are out there. Very anti 2nd amendment and proud of it. They know what's best for you as they are "Professionals, with training"

bigmancrisler · Oct 29, 2020

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AliasNeo07 · Oct 29, 2020

erwos said:
Pistol braces were always a ludicrous play by people who thought they were gonna fool the ATF long term into getting freebie SBRs and skirt 5320.20s. Doubly so if they were using the SBA3/4, which DIDN'T EVEN HAVE DETERMINATION LETTERS FFS. Maybe Trump will override this (skeptical!), but when Biden wins the election, I fully expect a "lol braces and stabilizers are now stocks" determination from the ATF.

That said, I also think the NFA should go away entirely, even if that is basically politically impossible.

SkiPatrolDude said:
Did you come here just to troll peoples comments?

Way to add constructively to this discussion.

I am with Erwos. You are either out of touch with reality or simply lying to yourself and others if you think the left isn't wising up to these arm braces and how they are used, as intended or otherwise.

I remember my first time using an arm brace as well as the very first thing that popped into my head.

You can't reason with a lot of people here.

Guys, I own firearms of all types and I carry a gun every day. I'm the farthest thing from a fudd.

Erwos and Skipatroldude are right.

I think the NFA should be repealed. I think you should be able to own suppressors and sbrs especially, cash and carry. But the law says that we can't own full auto or SBR without a tax stamp. So when someone that was clever developed bump stocks or braces which serve NO other purpose other than to subvert the NFA, what did you think was gonna happen?

I mean seriously. Yes suppressors and SBR should be legal over the counter. But they aren't currently. Braces are obviously a way to get around that.

It just is what it is. We need to fight to repeal the NFA not worry about making ridiculous arguments like bump stocks and pistol braces have any practical purpose other than subverting the NFA. I don't know why anyone is surprised.

babalou · Oct 29, 2020

Hell you can purchase a suppressor in Europe. It is the gentlemanly thing to do as to not make too loud of noises whilst shooting to upset neighbors.

teratos · Oct 29, 2020

AliasNeo07 said:
You can't reason with a lot of people here.

Guys, I own firearms of all types and I carry a gun every day. I'm the farthest thing from a fudd.

Erwos and Skipatroldude are right.

I think the NFA should be repealed. I think you should be able to own suppressors and sbrs especially, cash and carry. But the law says that we can't own full auto or SBR without a tax stamp. So when someone that was clever developed bump stocks or braces which serve NO other purpose other than to subvert the NFA, what did you think was gonna happen?

I mean seriously. Yes suppressors and SBR should be legal over the counter. But they aren't currently. Braces are obviously a way to get around that.

It just is what it is. We need to fight to repeal the NFA not worry about making ridiculous arguments like bump stocks and pistol braces have any practical purpose other than subverting the NFA. I don't know why anyone is surprised.

Yep. AR pistols and SBRs are not anymore lethal than their longer cousins and certainly are not getting concealed. Suppressors are still pretty loud. It is just a power/money grab. Regulating these things serves NO public safety interest.

3paul10 · Oct 29, 2020

MaxVO2 said:
*****I know two people who work for the ATF who believe most every firearm, short of an old flintlock or single shot shotgun should be basically regulated and taxed through NFA. They will gladly enforce confiscation, after buybacks presumably fail to turn in the majority of the guns out there in private citizens hands. They are both screaming libs and are just waiting for Biden/Harris to win, and get the ball rolling. Yes, they own firearms themselves but they are "Professionals, with training" so I guess that makes it ok for only military and law enforcement to have guns but civilians or private citizens - not so much...

People like this, in positions of influence and enforcement, are out there. Very anti 2nd amendment and proud of it. They know what's best for you as they are "Professionals, with training"

Yep, let's scare the hell out of everyone. I'm sure confiscation will commence next week.

I personally know hundreds of cops and military members....and none would take part in confiscation....but it's fun to get in an uproar I guess.....

Alea Jacta Est · Oct 29, 2020

Here’s the problem du jour...

ATF said braces are legal and you can shoulder the “pistol” that’s NOT an SBR.

Now, ATF say they’re not legal and are in fact an SBR/AOW and require a stamp AND require it after the fact.

ATF are making an interpretation, allowing/encouraging public “consumption” (behavior) in line with the new interpretation, allowing that to stand for a period of time THEN ATF are gonna de facto make lots of folks who acted in a compliant manner, non compliant...and thus be breaking “the law.”

All this of course purposely ignores the wholesale infringement action that BATFE is the principle proponent but not sole proprietor of...

Welcome fellow criminals.

Anybody else see that BATFE is putting out a new 4473 to start next month? Top third of front page is a firm to annotate the mfr, model and caliber of your purchase(s)...???

Jed195 · Oct 29, 2020

Not buying anything from gymratz...check
Not buying into the pistol brace craze...check
Not building any 80% anything...check

Batting 1000 so far...by the time I get around to getting into something its been banned or sussed out already.

Bob A · Oct 29, 2020

It's nice to be deferential to the Law. The problem accurs when the legislature passes laws that are illegal under the COTUS, and the courts defer to the legislature instead of doing their job according to their oaths.

At that point, the burden falls oon the citizenry, from whom the authority of government iss granted. And no, it's not supposed to be "mob rule" aka "democracy". We're set up as a republic, with protections built in to prevent the tyranny pf the majority, most of which have been suverted by legislators for their personal gain.

The way things are going, we deserve to lose the freedoms we have left, and I suspect this will happen in my lifetime. (I'm 73).

But by all means, obey the law.

Doctor_M · Oct 29, 2020

Jed195 said:
Not buying anything from gymratz...check
Not buying into the pistol brace craze...check
Not building any 80% anything...check

Batting 1000 so far...by the time I get around to getting into something its been banned or sussed out already.

Self infringement is your right and your prerogative, my friend.

AliasNeo07 · Oct 29, 2020

teratos said:
Yep. AR pistols and SBRs are not anymore lethal than their longer cousins and certainly are not getting concealed. Suppressors are still pretty loud. It is just a power/money grab. Regulating these things serves NO public safety interest.

Perception is part of the problem. Every non-gun person I've ever talked to think suppressors are movie quiet and that only criminals use them. Other than a subsonic suppressed 22, I've never heard one that quiet, like you said.

Bob A · Oct 29, 2020

AliasNeo07 said:
Perception is part of the problem. Every non-gun person I've ever talked to think suppressors are movie quiet and that only criminals use them. Other than a subsonic suppressed 22, I've never heard one that quiet, like you said.

I've never heard of one being used by a criminal, outside of entertainment media.

Doctor_M · Oct 29, 2020

AliasNeo07 said:
Perception is part of the problem. Every non-gun person I've ever talked to think suppressors are movie quiet and that only criminals use them. Other than a subsonic suppressed 22, I've never heard one that quiet, like you said.

My suppressed 7.62x39 bolt gun is a bit quieter than a .22 short with subsonics .... man I love it.

teratos · Oct 29, 2020

Doctor_M said:
My suppressed 7.62x39 bolt gun is a bit quieter than a .22 short with subsonics .... man I love it.

That's sweet.

outrider58 · Oct 29, 2020

teratos said:
That's sweet.

Next project... :innocent0

teratos · Oct 29, 2020

outrider58 said:
Next project...

.300BLK bolt gun is on the list....

DaemonAssassin · Oct 29, 2020

teratos said:
.300BLK bolt gun is on the list....

Ruger American Ranch 300BLK that uses AR mags is pretty snazzy. I highly recommend one.

[Kev308] · Oct 29, 2020

babalou said:
Hell you can purchase a suppressor in Europe. It is the gentlemanly thing to do as to not make too loud of noises whilst shooting to upset neighbors.

Here they want us to piss off the neighbors, so that everyone hates gun owners.

mtlcafan79 · Oct 29, 2020

teratos said:
.300BLK bolt gun is on the list....

You'll never shoot 300blk in a semi after that. If ever in the same place I can demo the difference between 300blk loads for a semi vs. a bolt. The difference is dramatic.

teratos · Oct 29, 2020

mtlcafan79 said:
You'll never shoot 300blk in a semi after that. If ever in the same place I can demo the difference between 300blk loads for a semi vs. a bolt. The difference is dramatic.

I’ve had the pleasure. I need it in my life. I hardly ever shoot my .300 BLK AR as it is.

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