benton0311
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Pietta makes pre-aged models - "Old West" is what they call the models with patina'd finish.
Newbie looking for a BP revolver. Questions
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Pietta makes pre-aged models - "Old West" is what they call the models with patina'd finish.
It's real easy to make an "aged" firearm using bluing remover, lemon oil, mustard, ketchup and Birchwod Casey bluing (the kind in the tube). I've done it to an 1892, 1894, 1851, 1860 and a couple of Lyman front stuffers. The first thing people usually ask when they see one if my aged guns is "wow, how old is that rifle"? When I tell them it is a 1980 gun they don't want to believe it. 
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I am kinda stuck between the Remington 1858s and the Colt 1860 models for some reason.
Ranchero50
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I bought pretty much the same combo, only Pietta and a lefty holster for $150 at a local pawn shop back in January. The new pistols I've bought have needed tweaked, especially the wood fitment so don't be afraid if you want an aged looking one.
My favorite looker. PITA to load though.
https://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/1851-Navy-U-S-Marshal-44-5-1-2-110p1808.htm
I bought pretty much the same combo, only Pietta and a lefty holster for $150 at a local pawn shop back in January. The new pistols I've bought have needed tweaked, especially the wood fitment so don't be afraid if you want an aged looking one.
My favorite looker. PITA to load though.
https://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/1851-Navy-U-S-Marshal-44-5-1-2-110p1808.htm
There is a special tool for short Colts and Remingtons that make them easy to load. I've had one for about 10 years and can't live without it, especially now that my arthritis is getting worse. It's made by Slix Shot I think but this guy sells them.
https://www.badmanbullets.com/OnlineStore/proddetail.php?prod=SliX-Hand
Buy the 1858, especially if you think you'll ever want a drop in cylinder for metallic cartridges. Easier teardown for clean up. You don't want to not shoot it for dreading the cleanup afterwards.
Later, if you like the hobby and have to have one, you can get that as well.
No votes for the LeMat?
Fox123
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Pale Rider knows....
Even if I practiced a lot, I can't see swapping cylinders like that on an unmodified Remington. It takes a lot of fidgeting because the hand, the bolt, and the hammer all get involved at different moments. I have to make several adjustments in the mammer position while rotating and pushing the cylinder.
I suspect that both the hand and the locking bolt were removed from the movie gun. It would also help to remove the nose of the hammer and seriously polish the cylinder pin.
I suspect that both the hand and the locking bolt were removed from the movie gun. It would also help to remove the nose of the hammer and seriously polish the cylinder pin.
10 shots! No one needs 10 shots!
Shotgun Joe Biden approves of the 20 Ga barrel however for back porch firings.
benton0311
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Did you see the YouTube links I posted? I’m not quite that quick but not too far off. There’s a technique to it but, even doing it slowish, I can do it faster than reloading a gated cartridge revolver or single loading a modern swing-out revolver without speed loader.
Edit: Have one of 'em handy. Just tried - don't have much practice and I'm around 6-7 seconds. That's dropping the cylinder onto the couch and picking it back up again so not sure how that compares to a properly setup pouch. If you really wanted to make it quick you could slightly chamfer the bore of the front of the cylinder so the pin slides right in and self-aligns the cylinder when reinstalling.
My cousin & I shot a lot of different black powder stuff a number of years ago when they were much cheaper to buy or put together from kits, etc.
I liked the black powder kits because you had to finish the grips and blue the metal yourself, gives you a little closer kinship to your firearm.
My cousin & I cast all our own balls from .36 cal to .50 cal from lead wheelweights, which are getting hard to find in cradle to grave oppressive nanny states like commiefornia and others.
One of them I enjoyed a lot & shot a lot was a 1851 .44 From Navy Arms when they still made all there stuff here in the USA. Never had any trouble with it, sold it to another cousin who still has it, some 30 years later.
It looks pretty much like this one and I could shoot it all day long one handed.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product...itions+fr18511+1851+navy+revolver+44cal+7375"
Today I think Ruger makes the best and possibly only Made in USA black powder pistols you can buy. This .45 Army is a good looking gun, I have no doubt being a ruger that it's well made and over engineered.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/415001912
I think as far as black powder pistols goes anything not made by ruger is going to be made in italy, regardless whose label is on it.
I hope I'm wrong or that changes soon, been getting the black powder bug again.
Biggfoot44
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I had a thread about my recent Adjustable. Pietta 1858 on sale for $250 .
Ruger Old Armys are great guns , but these days go for collector prices .
1858 vs 1860 is matter of preference . The 1858 is more " modern" in design , the Colt, is a Colt .
" Nickle" guns are almost always nickle plated brass frames .
For the price difference in new guns , steel is definitely worth the small upcharge . If you find a used brass in good condition for dirt cheap , it will probably be worthwhile .
Ruger Old Armys are great guns , but these days go for collector prices .
1858 vs 1860 is matter of preference . The 1858 is more " modern" in design , the Colt, is a Colt .
" Nickle" guns are almost always nickle plated brass frames .
For the price difference in new guns , steel is definitely worth the small upcharge . If you find a used brass in good condition for dirt cheap , it will probably be worthwhile .
If you plan to shoot alot of BP or use a cartridge conversion cylinder, I suggest you get an 1858. The reason is that, if you shoot a lot, you will break hand springs in a Colt.
Additionally, the barrel wedges are made soft today to keep frames from stretching.
If you shoot store bought 45 Colt ammo, your wedges will get peened and the damn things cost about $25 bucks these days.
I have yet to break a part in any of my 1858's, Pietta or Uberti and I shoot heavy loads of 777 and 1000 FPS 45 Colt loads. You can't do this with a Colt type revolver.
Additionally, the barrel wedges are made soft today to keep frames from stretching.
If you shoot store bought 45 Colt ammo, your wedges will get peened and the damn things cost about $25 bucks these days.
I have yet to break a part in any of my 1858's, Pietta or Uberti and I shoot heavy loads of 777 and 1000 FPS 45 Colt loads. You can't do this with a Colt type revolver.
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My plan has evolved to buying a 1858 to learn on and shoot, and a Colt 1851 (a specific one) just for looks or display, and only shooting it if I am challenged to a duel.
Sounds like a great plan. I have a few Colts hanging in my computer room. I shoot them maybe twice a year.
Mike OTDP
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I've got one. They weigh a ton.
Mike OTDP
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Back to the OP:
1. If you want to do any serious shooting, the Remington 1858 is the gold standard. The Colt 1851 and 1861 Navy models are fun to play with, but not serious shooters at distance.
2. Stick with steel frames. They are more durable, and usually more authentic.
3. Right now, the only companies making the percussion revolvers are Pietta, Uberti, and Pedersoli. I'd rate them in the following order:
a. Pedersoli "Custom" 1858. This is a serious competitive shooting instrument.
b. (tie) Pedersoli 1858 and Pietta "Shooter's Model" 1858. These also shoot well, but need a trigger job to get best accuracy.
c. (tie) Pietta regular-grade 1858, or the Uberti Colt repros.
The Ruger Old Army is out of production, but is a very good gun, and can be found in excellent condition for $600 or so.
4. You can shoot conicals...but the round balls shoot straighter. At the 2018 World Muzzle-Loading Championships, 99% of the competitors shot round balls. Use 3F black powder. Put the substitutes into the garden as fertilizer.
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Thank you. I looked at, and love the Pedersoli custom, but it is well out of my price range for now. I am going to buy an Uberti to learn with. Eventually, after buying a 1858 and 1851, I'd like to buy an actual antique, real 1858 Remingon. I'll probably just shoot roundballs, I was just mainly asking about the conicals because I saw them on a couple sights and was curious. But yeah, the Pedersoli is a beautiful gun;
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/sc...ttern-remington-pattern-pedersoli-custom.html
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