NJ Non Resident - Permit to Carry a Handgun Process

[ryan_j]

You will need proof of ownership. The OP Clandestine has a form that you can copy that works perfectly

I’ve seen some getting it without proof of ownership. You can bring it just in case but likely won’t need it.

 

[ryan_j]

Is there another thread to read up more on the changes?

Edit: found it here

NJ Legislature

The New Jersey State Legislature

www.njleg.state.nj.us

"The chief police officer or the superintendent shall obtain the fingerprints of the applicant and shall have them compared with any and all records of fingerprints in the municipality and county in which the applicant resides and also the records of the State Bureau of Identification and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, provided that an applicant for a handgun purchase permit who possesses a valid firearms purchaser identification card, or who has previously obtained a handgun purchase permit from the same licensing authority for which [he] the applicant was previously fingerprinted, and who provides other reasonably satisfactory proof of [his] the applicant’s identity, need not be fingerprinted again; however, the chief police officer or the superintendent shall proceed to investigate the application to determine whether or not the applicant has become subject to any of the disabilities set forth in this chapter."

Web portal is not live yet. But it will likely be like this one:

Firearms Application & Registration System (FARS) | New Jersey State Police

nj.gov

 

[SlaveNoMoreMD]

UPDATED 11/7/2022: Permits IN HAND (103 Days total)
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TIMELINE:

➡️Attempted to find a New Jersey Permit to Carry Training Class somewhere in New Jersey: 7/12/22 Attempt was unsuccessful. None of the New Jersey Instructors or Ranges I contacted would let me attend a Training Class in New Jersey without a NJ FID Card.

➡️Applied Online/FARS for NJ FID Card: 7/12/22

➡️Scheduled Appointment for Permit to Carry Course & Qualification with NRA Instructor: 7/18/22

➡️Scheduled Appointment via email for Permit Submission @Woodstown NJSP Barracks: 7/25/22

➡️Scheduled Appointment online for Identogo Fingerprints: 7/25/22

➡️Completed NJ Permit to Carry Training in Maryland: 7/27/22 by NRA Pistol Instructor

➡️Identogo Fingerprints @ PA Location: 7/28/22

➡️Submitted Application @ Woodstown NJSP Barracks: 7/28/22
3 - Notarized Permit to Carry Applications
1 - Notarized Pistol Ownership Affidavit
1 - Training & Qualification Certificate
1 - Mental Health Form
4 - 1.5"x1.5" Passport Photos
1 - USPS Money Order
1 - Receipt for Identogo Fingerprints

➡️References Called: 8/11/22

➡️Fingerprints Received: Unknown

➡️Background Check Completed: Unknown

➡️PTC Application was completed and "Snail Mailed": 8/15/22 Per NJSP Trooper @ Woodstown Barracks

➡️Letter Received from Salem County New Jersey Superior Court: 9/8/22 Letter has Hearing Date & Time. Must appear IN PERSON at Salem NJ County Superior Courthouse.

➡️Money Order Deposited/Cashed: 9/9/22

➡️FID Issued/Me: 10/2/22 (83 Days)

➡️FID Issued/Wife:10/5/22 (86 Days)

➡️IN PERSON Court Date: 10/5/22, 9 A.M., Salem County NJ Superior Court (70 Days)
There we're approximately 40 people in court for a Permit to Carry. 2 Applicants participated via zoom. The Judge was on a mission due to all of the applicants but was kind and professional.

➡️Permit Approved: 10/5/22 (70 Days)

➡️ Received Approved Court Order and COPIES of Permits (No Restrictions/Permits do list the handguns we qualified with): 10/22/22 (87 Days)

➡️NJSP to called for Permit Pick Up: 11/7/22 - Permit can be picked up at any time 24/7 (103 Days)

➡️Permit Picked Up: 12/7/22 (103 Days)

Important Note: Non Resident Applicants may have to make 2-5 trips to NJ complete the Carry Permit process.
1) Identogo Fingerprints (Fingerprints don't have to be taken in the State of NJ.)
2) NJ Carry Permit Training Class & Qualification
(Training/Qualification does not have to be taken in the State of NJ.)
3) Trip to NJ to submit the Application
4) Trip to NJ appear in Superior Court
(Not all Counties/Judges require a Court Appearance.)
5) Trip to pickup the Carry Permit (Judge may not issue the permit on your Court Date.)
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My Wife and I have successfully submitted and received a NJ Permits to Carry a Handgun and our New Jersey Firearms Owners I.D. Cards. The information below will evolve as NJ changes the process. Nothing listed below is guaranteed because New Jersey Legislature and the NJ State Police will be changing the process and requirements.

I have been keeping track of the info as I go, so I thought I would share it with MDS.

For what it's worth, I don't think Fees, Classes, Live Fire tests, Fingerprints, Photos, Notaries, and Trips all over creation should be required to carry a firearm. I'm not doing this because I support or agree with the process. I want to carry my gun in as many places and possible and Carry Permits can help keep you out of jail.

I contacted Gun for Hire Shooting Range in NJ about attending one of their NJ CCW Classes. They told me I can't take their class without a NJ Firearms ID Card (FID). I thought it was just their policy, but they also told me I MUST have a NJ FID to apply for a NJ Carry Permit. Every range and Trainer in NJ I have spoken to said the same thing. Thankfully they were all wrong.

The NJSP does issue FID's to non residents and dual residents, so my wife and I applied for our FID's in case we ever need it. Per the NJSP, a FID is not required for a Non Resident to apply for a NJ Carry Permit. FYI, the FID Alone will run you $62.45 to $101.45 depending on where you get your IdentoGo Livescan fingerprints done. I included SEPARATE instructions on how to apply for a Non resident NJ FID below.

If you plan to spend any amount of time in NJ, I believe getting a FID as soon as possible is smart for several reasons. 1) Once the NJ Black Rifle Ban is struck down, it will be legal to take your "un-neutered" modern day muskets (AR's) into NJ, and the FID may be necessary for possession in NJ. 2) When NJ changes the "Training Requirements" to apply for a Carry Permit, it may be necessary to take training in NJ, by NJ approved Instructors. Instructors in NJ wont train you without a FID. 3) A NJ FID is required if you want to purchase ammunition in New Jersey.

I thought a detailed post may be useful for those interested in the Non Resident NJ Carry Permit Process.

NJ is now our 11th permit to Carry. We have permits for MD, D.C., PA, UT, FL, ME, RI, NH, CT, and NJ. We are in process for MA, but that one will take at least another 4-6 weeks before our permit arrives.

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INSTRUCTIONS:

Non Resident New Jersey

Permit is good for 2 years.
Permit Instructions.
https://www.nj.gov/oag/njsp/firearms/pdf/Permit_To_Carry_Instructions.pdf

NJ A.G. Directive.
https://www.nj.gov/oag/dcj/agguide/directives/ag-Directive-2022-07_Directive Clarifying Requirements For Carrying Of Firearms In Public.pdf

Hollow Point Laws: Most Hollow Points are ILLEGAL to carry in NJ.
See: https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/firearms-faqs.shtml

Woodstown NJ State Police Barracks Application Instructions are included below, but if this isn't the closest Barracks to you, then don't use those instructions.
STEP 1 Fill out online PDF Permit Application and print (4) copies.

https://www.njsp.org/firearms/pdf/sp-642.pdf (MAKE SURE ITS REVISION 7/22)
Keep 1 copy for your own records. Some applicants plan to be brave and carry on day 91.
See: NJ Rev Stat § 2C:58-4 (2021) quote from paragraph "c. If the application is not approved by the chief police officer or the superintendent within 60 days of filing, it shall be deemed to have been approved, unless the applicant agrees to an extension of time in writing." After that the court has 30 days to approve or deny.
FID (Box 15) put N/A, unless you have a FID#
Municipal Code on the application will be a specific # of the NJSP Barracks closest to you. You may have to call or email the Barracks to get the proper #. My closest NJSP Barracks is Woodstown NJ, and the Municipal Code is 1709. Yours may be different based on the Barracks closest to you. If you can't get this information leave it blank and add it when you submit your application to the NJSP.
Three (3) references are REQUIRED. The references must sign each copy of the application with ink. This may require shipping them back and forth depending on where they live. References CAN reside in ANY State, but they CAN NOT be related to you by blood or marriage. They do not have to be present when the application is notarized. The NJSP will call your references. If your references don't answer your application will be delayed.
Proof of Identification and Citizenship. You must supply proof of identification and Citizenship. (Driver’s license and birth certificate or Passport / naturalization paperwork / green card).
Some may tell you a NJ FID (Firearms Identification Card) is necessary to apply for a NJ Carry Permit. That may be true for a NJ Resident, but a FID is not required for a Non Resident to apply for a NJ Permit to Carry. If you want to get a FID, I have included instructions below.
STEP 2 Complete and print one (1) Mental Health Release. (Must be Form SP066 Revision 7/19)

https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/pdf/sp-066_201907.pdf
For Investigating Agency put NJSP and the Barracks (Mine was “NJSP Woodstown”)
DON’T sign the SP066 forms unless the NJSP directs you to do so. My NJSP barracks told me to sign the forms and use my wife as the witness. At some NJSP Barracks, the forms get signed by you and the NJSP when you drop off your Carry Permit Application.
STEP 3 $50.00 Money Order Only for payment.

Made payable to “Treasurer, State of New Jersey (Address for NJ Treasurer is not necessary)
You MUST put your FULL name and address on the money order.
Use this to track your money order: https://tools.usps.com/money-orders.htm
STEP 4 Get four (4) 1.5”x1.5” Passport Photos. (Request Argentine Passport size or 38mm x 38mm)

Put your Full Name and DOB on the back of each Passport Photo.
Do not attach the passport photos to your NJ Permit Applications.
Put the Pictures in an envelope and clip the envelope to the application.
Put Your FULL name, address, SBI #, and Case # on the envelope.
STEP 5 Written Proof of Firearm Ownership of Handguns you intend to Carry:

Ownership can be a purchase receipt or permit to purchase or a notarized letter of ownership listing the make, model, and serial number of the handgun(s) you intend to carry in New Jersey. You only need one copy of this form and this form must be notarized. I attached a form I created if you want to use it:
I HAVE ATTACHED A FORM BELOW IF YOU WANT TO USE IT AS A TEMPLATE (PRINT 1)
STEP 6 Class to show familiarity with safe handling and use of Handguns.

You only need one proof of training form.
The NJSP does not list specifics as to what classes are acceptable, so I have listed the NJ Statute below.
What constitutes safe handling of a firearm under New Jersey law?
Safe handling of a firearm is an objective standard met by meeting the requirements of N.J.A.C. 13:54-2.4(b).
Each applicant shall demonstrate a thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns by indicating in the space provided therefore on the application form, and on any sworn attachments thereto, any relevant information. Thorough familiarity with the safe handling and use of handguns shall be evidenced by ONE of the following:
1) Completion of a firearms training course substantially equivalent to the firearms training approved by the Police Training Commission as described by N.J.S.A. 2C:39-6j; (I HAVE ATTACHED TWO VERSIONS OF THE TRAINING FORM BELOW IF YOU WANT TO USE THEM AS A TEMPLATE - PRINT 1)
2) Submission of an applicant's most recent handgun qualification scores utilizing the handgun(s) he or she intends to carry as evidenced by test firings administered by a certified firearms instructor of a police academy, a certified firearms instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified firearms instructor; or (I HAVE ATTACHED THE TRAINING CERTIFICATE BELOW IF YOU WANT TO USE IT AS A TEMPLATE - PRINT 1)
3) Passage of any test in this State's laws governing the use of force administered by a certified instructor of a police academy, a certified instructor of the National Rifle Association, or any other recognized certified instructor.
Any/All Qualifications must be within six (6) months of application and must also be obtained from a Certified Firearms Instructor. The written certification must include the Instructor’s name and certification number, make, model, caliber and serial number of each handgun(s) you intend to carry in New Jersey.
2C:58-4. a. Scope and duration of authority. Any person who holds a valid permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to this section shall be authorized to carry a handgun in all parts of this State, except as prohibited by subsection e. of N.J.S.2C:39-5. One permit shall be sufficient for ALL HANDGUNS OWNED BY THE HOLDER thereof, but the permit shall apply only to a handgun carried by the actual and legal holder of the permit . Criminal Code 2C58-4 (a) States one permit covers all guns owned by the permit holder. However Under NJ Administrative code which is 13:54-2.4 it states. You need to show proficiency and qualification scores with the handgun(s) you intend to carry.
STEP 7 Notarize all 3 Permit Applications and of your Written Proof of Firearms Ownership Forms.

NJSP may require RESIDENT Applications to have a raised notary stamp must be raised, but NON RESIDENTS Applications only need a INK Notary Stamp.
STEP 8 Call or Email to schedule an appointment to submit your Carry Permit Application at your closest NJ State Police Barracks.

My Barracks wants you to email them and schedule an appointment to turn in the application.
Njspwoodstownfirearms@njsp.org is the email for Woodstown Barracks.
I will add additional Barracks phone/email information when possible
You must submit your application in person at this time.
The NJSP MAY ask you to have your fingerprints SCHEDULED before dropping off your application. If they request this, be sure you have this info for IdentoGo:
1) Service Code for Carry Permit Fingerprinting: 2F164B
2) Originating Agency # (ORI): The NJ Barracks you are applying at can supply this # or you can find it here: https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/ori-list.shtml
3) Contributor Case #(Use the applicant's first name initial, last name, month, day, and year of application submission date. Example: John Doe applied on Jan 8, 2022. Contributor Case #: JDoe010822).
Print Fingerprint Appointment or Receipt to show the NJ State Police when you submit your application.
STEP 9 Go to IdentoGo and schedule fingerprints for Carry Permit Application. https://www.identogo.com/

You can ONLY use Identogo for Livescan.
Verify correct Service Code #, Originating Agency #, and Contributor's Case # for Carry Permit fingerprints from the NJSP once you drop the application off.
Fill Out form with Service Code #, Originating Agency Number, and Contributor's Case #.
The Service Code for Carry Permit Fingerprinting should be: 2F164B.
ORI # will be the NJSP Barracks closest to you.
https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/ori-list.shtml (excluding toll roads, stations on the New Jersey Turnpike, Garden State Parkway, and Atlantic City Expressway). My Closest NJSP Barracks is Woodstown NJ,
The ORI # for me was NJNSP3200.
Contributor Case #(Use the applicant's first name initial, last name, month, day, and year of application submission date. Example: John Doe applied on Jan 8, 2022. Contributor Case #: JDoe010822).
Fingerprint results must be received within ninety (90) days of application.
Schedule and Appointment nearest to you.
Get Livescan completed and pay $61.00. (Add $39 for IdentoGo not taken in NJ). Get two copies of the payment receipt in case the NJSP wants one.
Put your Passport Photos, Money Order, and Fingerprint Receipt in an envelope so they don't get lost.
Processing time for Carry Permit can vary between 1 – 6 months.

The County I applied to is mandating an IN PERSON appearance at the Salem County Superior Court. You may be able to attend your hearing via zoom but you will have to contact the Clerk of the Judge to inquire.

Salem County Gun/Firearm Judge Information:
Presiding Judge, Salem Linda L. Lawhun, 856-878-5050 ext 15808, 856-878-5051, Salem County Courthouse, 92 Market Street, 2nd Floor, Salem, NJ 08079

If you have a court appearance at Salem County Superior Court, you may have trouble finding safe parking. My advice is to park in the parking lot of Salem County Clerk's Office & Family Dollar and walk approximately one block to the courthouse.

You will NOT receive your permit on the day of the hearing. You have to wait for the NJSP to contacts you. I'm not sure if I have to pickup I person of if they will mail it to me. If I have to return to get the permit that means 3 trips to NJ are required if applying to NJSP Woodstown/Salem County.

Permit will be larger than other permits and may not fit in a regular wallet pocket/slot unless you carefully trim it. You will have to laminate it to make it durable.

Permit MAY have restrictions which limit you to carrying ONLY the MAKE/MODEL/CALIBER/SERIAL# of the handgun/s you qualified with. This varies from county/town to county/town.

Travel/expenses for class/live fire, livescan, and 3 trips to New Jersey (1 application drop off, 2 court appearance, and 3 permit pickup)

Live fire qualification ammunition cost

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CARRY PERMIT RENEWAL

Permit is Good for 2 years
You WILL NOT receive an automatic Renewal Application. Apply 90 days prior to expiration.
SAME PROCESS AS INITIAL PERMIT
Processing time can vary between 3 - 6 months.
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Non Resident New Jersey Carry FID

***THIS PROCESS WILL CHANGE WHEN THE NJ STATE POLICE STARTS REQUIRING A PHOTO & THUMB PRINT FOR THE FID

STEP 1 Apply for a FID.

State Police​

NJ State Police - Application for Firearms Purchaser Identification Card and/or Handgun Purchase Permit

www.njportal.com
ORI # will be the NJSP Barracks closest to you.
https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/ori-list.shtml (excluding toll roads, stations on the New Jersey Turnpike, Garden State Parkway, and Atlantic City Expressway). My closest NJSP Barracks is Woodstown NJ, The ORI # was NJNSP3200 WOODSTOWN.
Select Initial Firearms Purchaser Identification Card l, next you will be required to take the mandatory FID Training. It's a 26 page slideshow. Once the slideshow is complete you can continue to your Application. (Pick GOOD references because the NJSP WILL email your reference online survey or call them) $5
You will receive an email with a Service Code #, Originating Agency Number, and Contributor's Case #. Use that information to fill out the IdentoGo Livescan Registration.
STEP 2 Go to IdentoGo Livescan: https://uenroll.identogo.com/workflows/2F164B/locator/location (You can ONLY use this company for Livescan)

Fill out the form and schedule and appointment nearest to you.
Get Livescan completed and pay $61. (Add $39 for IdentoGo not taken in NJ)
NOTE: You cannot use the fingerprints from your NJ Carry Permit for the FID. They are separate codes.
STEP 3 Wait for FID. This can take 45-90 days for Non Residents.

If you are approved, the NJSP will email your FID Card. You only have a small window to access the portal and print it. Download a copy in case you lose the one you printed.

If you print it in the size they submit it won't fit in your wallet. I reduced the size to 77% and laminated mine to make it durable.

Travel/Expenses for Livescan

Thanks Clandestine for the documented process and forms! I completed the long waited out-of-state NJ PTC process.

Submitted the application to the Woodstown NJSP Troop A location: Friday 11/4/2022
References were called: 2/10/2023
Received a call to pick up the permit today: 3/30/2023.

Paid $50 and since the law had changed in December no court appearance was needed. Did you laminated your permit?

 

[clandestine]

Thanks Clandestine for the documented process and forms! I completed the long waited out-of-state NJ PTC process.

Submitted the application to the Woodstown NJSP Troop A location: Friday 11/4/2022
References were called: 2/10/2023
Received a call to pick up the permit today: 3/30/2023.

Paid $50 and since the law had changed in December no court appearance was needed. Did you laminated your permit?

Congratulations on the NJ Permit. Thank you for the kind words as well.

I did laminate my permit. I trimmed it down to make it as small as possible without removing any words or pictures. We have a Laminator at home.

 

[antco]

Thanks Clandestine for the documented process and forms! I completed the long waited out-of-state NJ PTC process.

Submitted the application to the Woodstown NJSP Troop A location: Friday 11/4/2022
References were called: 2/10/2023
Received a call to pick up the permit today: 3/30/2023.

Paid $50 and since the law had changed in December no court appearance was needed. Did you laminated your permit?

I take this to mean two trips to NJ? First to file and second to retrieve the fruits of your labor?

 

[clandestine]

I take this to mean two trips to NJ? First to file and second to retrieve the fruits of your labor?

For now yes, two trips.

After July, I believe initial and renewal permit classes have to be administered by NJSP approved Instructors AND at NJSP approved ranges.

The application process will likely be online at that point so you lose a trip to apply, but gain one for the training class.

Not sure if they will ever start mailing approved Permits

 

[press1280]

For now yes, two trips.

After July, I believe initial and renewal permit classes have to be administered by NJSP approved Instructors AND at NJSP approved ranges.

The application process will likely be online at that point so you lose a trip to apply, but gain one for the training class.

Not sure if they will ever start mailing approved Permits

Jeez. So if someone wanted to get a MD & NJ permit, they will have to take 2 separate training courses now?

 

[clandestine]

Jeez. So if someone wanted to get a MD & NJ permit, they will have to take 2 separate training courses now?

I needed two separate training courses before the law changed. Difference was that the old NJ Training could be administered anywhere by any NRA Instructor. The new training has to be done in NJ by a NJSP approved Instructor at a NJSP range.

 

[adit]

Updated NJ CCW Testing Requirements


From a SAF email:

Deep Dive: New Jersey’s new ‘John Wick’ concealed-carry qualification test​

August 16, 2023
by Lee Williams

After the U.S. Supreme Court issued its historic Bruen Decision, which obliterated most state restrictions on the public carrying of arms and changed forever how lower courts should decide Second Amendment-related challenges to anti-gun regulations, many blue states seemingly tried to outdo each other with the number of unconstitutional post-Bruen tantrum laws they could pass. At this, New Jersey certainly lead the way, especially for its residents seeking to carry a defensive firearm.

Obtaining a New Jersey permit to carry was never easy. It is not easy now. Instead, it remains an expensive multi-step nightmare specifically designed to make the process as difficult as possible for the applicant.

Now, not only must New Jersians bend a knee, pay a fee and beg permission from the Crown to buy back their constitutional rights, they must also pass a difficult shooting test that was designed for police, not civilians, to prove they’re capable of exercising their constitutional rights to the government’s satisfaction.

Last month, the Superintendent of the New Jersey State Police in conjunction with the state’s Attorney General, issued new requirements titled “Use of Force Interim Training for Private Citizen Concealed Carry.” The document contains written material for in-person classroom training as well as the requirements for an arduous 50-round qualification course that every concealed-carry applicant must pass.

It is easy to get lost in the minutia of the qualification standards and lose sight of the big picture: New Jersey’s concealed-carry requirements are a massive infringement of the Second Amendment, which clearly violate Bruen. Does New Jersey test other constitutional rights? Do journalists there need to demonstrate competency before writing news stories? Do clergy in the Garden State need to pass state testing before delivering a sermon? Must voters prove proficiency before they’re allowed into a booth?

Clearly, New Jersey Attorney General Matt Platkin and his state police sycophants want to hold gun owners to a higher standard than those who exercising other constitutional rights.

Vintage training

New Jersey’s new CCW qualification standards have been criticized for being too high, too rigid and too much like a police qualification course. The critics are right. This is nothing but a decades-old police qualification course revamped and repackaged for civilians. It does not reflect current best practices, far from it. The tactics and techniques it requires applicants to master were state-of-the-art in the 1990s.

Unrealistic score

New Jersey requires a 50-round qualification course, which uses an “FBI-type Q-target,” which looks like an oversized milk bottle. To pass, students must somehow achieve a score of 80% or 40 rounds within the border of the Q-target.

25-yards

Applicants must fire four rounds kneeling and three rounds standing at a 25-yard target. This precludes most new shooters from using popular concealed-carry firearms, such as smaller and easier to conceal 9mms, .380s or short-barrel revolvers. Sure, there are some who can make consistent hits at 25-yards with any handgun, regardless of its size. However, many new shooters have difficulty hitting beyond 15 yards.

Twenty-five yards is an unrealistic test for civilian concealed carry. While there are certainly a few incredible exceptions, most deadly-force encounters involving civilians occur much closer, usually within spitting distance.

Open-carry holster

This qualification course is designed to use an open-carry holster, worn either outside or inside the waistband. However, only law enforcement officers can openly carry handguns in New Jersey. Civilians must carry their defensive firearms concealed. Therefore, why test them on their ability to draw and fire from an open-carry holster? Most ranges won’t even allow drawing from the holster, so where can civilians train this technique other than dry firing at home?

Kneeling

In a gunfight, once your knees touch the ground you’ve stationary, and stationary targets don’t survive very long.

Shooting from the kneeling position is an old-school law enforcement tactic, not unlike shooting a handgun from the prone position. Testing a civilian’s ability to shoot from the kneeling position is lunacy.

Like drawing from the holster, most private ranges don’t allow their customers to practice from the kneeling position. One range I know that did quickly abandoned the practice after a customer positioned their target too close and put five rounds into the ceiling.

Additionally, there are many shooters who cannot kneel because they suffer mobility issues or use a wheelchair. Are they to be denied their Second Amendment rights because of their disability?

Forcing applicants to kneel violates the Americans with Disabilities Act, which requires “state and local governments including their criminal justice agencies to comply with the ADA.”

New Jersey’s AG and its state police should be ashamed of their “ableist” misdeeds.

Point shoulder

“On command, from a secured holster position, draw and fire 3 rounds in 5 seconds from a point-shoulder position,” the training document states.

Those words haven’t been spoken at an American gun range for quite some time, yet New Jersey still plans to require its concealed-carry applicants to shoot from the point-shoulder position.

The point-shoulder or Weaver stance was developed by Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Deputy Jack Weaver in the 1950s. It fell out of favor among law enforcement tactical trainers decades ago, because by blading their body toward the threat it exposed the officer’s side, which was not protected by body armor.

While the point-shoulder position has remained popular with some competitive shooters, nowadays, most instructors teach a modified isosceles shooting position, which was first developed by Tier One trainers. It’s more natural and not as awkward as the point-shoulder because it makes it easier to absorb recoil and track moving targets.

Offhand

New Jersey requires concealed-carry applicants to draw using their strong hand, transfer their weapon to their support/weak hand and then fire three rounds in two seconds at a 5-yard target.

Offhand shooting requires constant practice because it is not a natural skill. While it is a prerequisite for police and military shooters, it has no place in a qualification test for civilians – other than to prevent them from achieving a passing grade.

Besides, has there ever been a documented defensive shooting where a civilian was forced to transition their handgun to their off hand?

Takeaways

Critics of New Jersey’s concealed-carry qualification have likened it to the “John Wick” film series. While the comparison may not be totally accurate, it certainly deserves a chuckle or two.

What’s not laughable is that anti-gun elected officials have come up with yet another way to infringe upon the Second Amendment by reworking an antiquated police qualification course and making it mandatory for anyone who wants to exercise their constitutional rights.

Nowadays, many police departments are understaffed, and their response times suffer. Those of us who live in free states have long understood that we are our own First Responders and are responsible for our own safety. Clearly, New Jersey Attorney General Matt Platkin and his pals in the state police don’t want their subjects to have this ability to defend themselves. It doesn’t fit their narrative. After all, when someone in New Jersey is murdered, they’d prefer just to blame the gun.

Deep Dive: New Jersey’s new ‘John Wick’ concealed-carry qualification test - Second Amendment Foundation

August 16, 2023 by Lee Williams After the U.S. Supreme Court issued its historic Bruen Decision, which obliterated most state restrictions on the public carrying of arms and changed forever how lower courts should decide Second Amendment-related challenges to anti-gun regulations, many blue...

www.saf.org

https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/pdf/PTC_use_of_force_and_Qual.pdf

 

[clandestine]

Yep. Many things have changed. Most not for the better.

Non Residents now have to have a SBI # to apply for a PTC, which means FID Card.

Thankfully my wife and I don't have to requalify until we renew.

Some instructors are really making training more complex than necessary. Requiring several separate classes to get trained instead of making it ONE Class:

NRA Basic Pistol Class
Holster Draw Class
Use of Force Class
Permit to Carry Class & Live Fire Qualification

The good news is the application is online now so no trips to apply and possibly pickup the permit.

 

[press1280]

Updated NJ CCW Testing Requirements


From a SAF email:

Deep Dive: New Jersey’s new ‘John Wick’ concealed-carry qualification test - Second Amendment Foundation

August 16, 2023 by Lee Williams After the U.S. Supreme Court issued its historic Bruen Decision, which obliterated most state restrictions on the public carrying of arms and changed forever how lower courts should decide Second Amendment-related challenges to anti-gun regulations, many blue...

www.saf.org

https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/pdf/PTC_use_of_force_and_Qual.pdf

Once again, a challenge is needed based on the old NJ training requirements (NRA class + 50 rounds at 7 yards, does NOT need to be done in NJ) vs. this new requirement.
I'm dismayed at the post Bruen suits which all seem to be challenging laws in vacuum and not based on the change vs. the old law.

 

[adit]

Once again, a challenge is needed based on the old NJ training requirements (NRA class + 50 rounds at 7 yards, does NOT need to be done in NJ) vs. this new requirement.
I'm dismayed at the post Bruen suits which all seem to be challenging laws in vacuum and not based on the change vs. the old law.

The problem is the States keep changing the laws every year.

SCOTUS needs to get pissed off enough and just come out and say "Shall Not Be Infringed" means EXACTLY what it says, and nothing else. That is the only way these BS games end.

 

[press1280]

The problem is the States keep changing the laws every year.

SCOTUS needs to get pissed off enough and just come out and say "Shall Not Be Infringed" means EXACTLY what it says, and nothing else. That is the only way these BS games end.

Obviously you can’t challenge a law not in place.
But they should have been on this law by now with a suit.
You know if it were the left and it was some abortion law they’d be in court the next day, even if the change in the law was negligible