Why are we so soft about it?

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  • Cyclone

    Jr. Zombie Killer
    Jan 25, 2010
    835
    Rosedale, MD
    Should we all take this in our hands, by impeaching putting all these politicians out of their position. This should be "PEOPLE OF MARYLAND AGAINST ANTI 2ND AMENDMENT Politicians..."

    This is all but TREASON!!!
    In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more extreme acts against one's sovereign or nation. Historically, treason also covered the murder of specific social superiors, such as the murder of a husband by his wife. Treason against the king was known as high treason and treason against a lesser superior was petty treason. A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor.
    Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aiding or involved by such an endeavor.
    Outside legal spheres, the word "traitor" may also be used to describe a person who betrays (or is accused of betraying) their own political party, nation, family, friends, ethnic group, team, religion, social class, or other group to which they may belong. Often, such accusations are controversial and disputed, as the person may not identify with the group of which they are a member, or may otherwise disagree with the group leaders making the charge. See, for example, race traitor.
    At times, the term "traitor" has been used as a political epithet, regardless of any verifiable treasonable action. In a civil war or insurrection, the winners may deem the losers to be traitors. Likewise the term "traitor" is used in heated political discussion – typically as a slur against political dissidents, or against officials in power who are perceived as failing to act in the best interest of their constituents. In certain cases, as with the German Dolchstoßlegende, the accusation of treason towards a large group of people can be a unifying political message.
    In English law, high treason was punishable by being hanged, drawn and quartered (men) or burnt at the stake (women), or beheading (royalty and nobility). Treason was the only crime which attracted those penalties (until they were abolished in 1814, 1790 and 1973 respectively). The penalty was used by later monarchs against people who could reasonably be called traitors, although most modern jurists would call it excessive. Many of them would now just be considered dissidents.
     

    Mr H

    Banana'd
    Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."

    Slight problem there...

    They do not consider themselves among the citizenry, and the current structure is such as to keep them elevated above (and protected from) such petty things as "law"...

    /snide

    We need to take back the state. This has gone on for far too long.
     

    MDFF2008

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 12, 2008
    24,770
    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

    The Constitution has a very narrow definition of treason. That's the only thing that matters.
     

    dblas

    Past President, MSI
    MDS Supporter
    Apr 6, 2011
    13,113
    There is a regulation that prevents suing and elected official for performing there job. I have to find it again, but under that regulation, what they have done and continue to do is neither treason of failure to support the Constitution, or failure to uphold their oath of office.
     
    Feb 28, 2013
    28,953
    They do not consider themselves among the citizenry, and the current structure is such as to keep them elevated above (and protected from) such petty things as "law"...

    That's funny. Obamacare springs to mind as a glaring example of this point.
     

    Cyclone

    Jr. Zombie Killer
    Jan 25, 2010
    835
    Rosedale, MD
    The Constitution has a very narrow definition of treason. That's the only thing that matters.
    Back then betrayal will send you to prison, hanged or beheaded. All these politicians betrayed us sits on their chair, lays on their bed with a goodnight sleep. They swore for keeping and upholding the constitution and not to be against it!!! Should they be punished for that?!!!:mad54::mad54::mad54:
     

    Xander

    Active Member
    Dec 6, 2010
    211
    Corruption, bad judgment, intellectual lazyness, and stupidity are not treason. They are bad governance and a reason to vote someone out of office. The legislative branch passes unconstitutional laws all the time. They are then struck down by the judicial branch. That's how this works. It is annoying, slow, and sometimes infuriating, but tossing around "treason" isn't going to move us along. Look at your quote, also. It defines "treason" as action against the government, or, helping a foreign power act against your country. Neither of which apply.
     

    cantonglocker

    Banned
    BANNED!!!
    Jul 27, 2011
    464
    Pasadena
    Corruption, bad judgment, intellectual lazyness, and stupidity are not treason. They are bad governance and a reason to vote someone out of office. The legislative branch passes unconstitutional laws all the time. They are then struck down by the judicial branch. That's how this works. It is annoying, slow, and sometimes infuriating, but tossing around "treason" isn't going to move us along. Look at your quote, also. It defines "treason" as action against the government, or, helping a foreign power act against your country. Neither of which apply.

    The courts can not be trusted.
     

    Xander

    Active Member
    Dec 6, 2010
    211
    The courts can not be trusted.

    To do what you want? No, they can't. That's not how it works.

    What exactly did you have in mind as an alternative? What are these "things that should be done?" How much time have you invested in working within the democratic process that your founding fathers set up for you? I am amazed that people would jump from a bad committee meeting to vauge threats and a rejection of the entire system.
     

    jtb81100

    Ultimate Member
    May 28, 2012
    2,234
    Western HoCo
    I don't think this PUBLIC accessed sub forum is the correct place to be discussing this topic.

    Nothing in here I'm not comfortable with every one of those traitors knowing. It is LONG past time for elected officials to be held accountable for violating the Constitution. Lets bring back throwing rotten produce at people in stocks. Nothing like a little public humiliation to keep the tyrants in line. They know we are pissed, they know we are trying to come up with ways to get them out of office whether in an election or some other LEGAL manner. Let them laugh and think we can't do anything right up till the moment a law officer arrests them for violating their oath of office.
     

    Cyclone

    Jr. Zombie Killer
    Jan 25, 2010
    835
    Rosedale, MD
    Nothing in here I'm not comfortable with every one of those traitors knowing. It is LONG past time for elected officials to be held accountable for violating the Constitution. Lets bring back throwing rotten produce at people in stocks. Nothing like a little public humiliation to keep the tyrants in line. They know we are pissed, they know we are trying to come up with ways to get them out of office whether in an election or some other LEGAL manner. Let them laugh and think we can't do anything right up till the moment a law officer arrests them for violating their oath of office.
    Well said...
     

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