[LEOSA] Weak hand - two handed shooting. Why?

[5cary]

I recently did my LEOSA re-qual. One of the strings of fire was several rounds using your weak hand, but using your strong hand for support. After decades of military and LEO training, this is the first time I've encountered this.

Educate me. If I have two hands available, why would I use my strong hand to support my weak? I've always thought weak hand shooting was to be utilized when you strong hand was out of action.

I shoot a couple of times a week, and shooting one-handed with my weak hand is a common drill...Why would I practice using my weak hand with strong hand for support? Genuinely curious.

 

[Coehorn]

If you have to shoot around an obstruction/barrier on your left side, you can still, somewhat, engage while keeping your body hidden.

 

[5cary]

If you have to shoot around an obstruction on your left side, you can still, somewhat, engage while keeping your body hidden.

Fair enough. But the difference in grip vs. "exposed body" in such a scenario is mm in measurement. Done right, off side obstructions do not hinder strong side grip.

Given the purpose of the LEOSA qual (and some of the guys I've seen on the range doing it), I just don't see that as a legitimate requirement for qualification.

 

[Sundazes]

Strong side injured where you cant get a good grip?

 

[Coehorn]

Are they making you use you perfectly fine strong hand to help support your weak hand? Or are they saying use your bloody and shot-up strong hand/wrist/forearm to support your weak hand?

I always felt weak hand shooting was in case your strong hand was no longer usable. AKA Bloody stump, but you're still in the game.

 

[5cary]

Are they making you use you perfectly fine strong hand to help support your weak hand? Or are they saying use your bloody and shot-up strong hand/wrist/forearm to support your weak hand?

I always felt weak hand shooting was in case your strong hand was no longer usable. AKA Bloody stump, but you're still in the game.

There's no explanation. Just "weak hand - two handed shooting".

I'm not smelling whatever they're cooking here...

 

[Blaster229]

This is the reason. Because the LEOSA qual has to be a "police qual".

That's the only reason.

That being said, my actual work equals, I always shot left hand on my 15 yard barricade rounds because it was easier instead of leaning over.

LEOSA I couldn't give a shit less.

 

[Melnic]

Strong side injured where you cant get a good grip?

This sounds like a valid reason (I'm not LEO)
You are right handed and you injure your right index finder to the point it can't pull a trigger, what do you do and did you train for it?

This reminds me of a video of a guy with one hand and how he reloaded his pistol putting it back his holster

 

[BurkeM]

I recently did my LEOSA re-qual. One of the strings of fire was several rounds using your weak hand, but using your strong hand for support. After decades of military and LEO training, this is the first time I've encountered this.

Who was running the range? This is the Maryland State Police course requirements.

MSP QUALIFICATION 29-14

 

[Tebonski]

Diversity, inclusion.

 

[spoon059]

We've shot weak hand (sorry... non dominant hand for the SWAT guys) for years in my department. Supported and unsupported. Perhaps an injury to your strong hand that doesn't allow you to shoot, but still gives you enough motor control to provide a more stable platform?

 

[5cary]

Who was running the range? This is the Maryland State Police course requirements.

MSP QUALIFICATION 29-14

Harford county SO.

We've shot weak hand (sorry... non dominant hand for the SWAT guys) for years in my department. Supported and unsupported. Perhaps an injury to your strong hand that doesn't allow you to shoot, but still gives you enough motor control to provide a more stable platform?

Yeah. Weak hand only strings of fire have always been part of training and quals. The "partially injured / lightly usable" strong hand just didn't make sense to me.

Anyway, more of a curiosity than anything else.

 

[3paul10]

We've shot weak hand (sorry... non dominant hand for the SWAT guys) for years in my department. Supported and unsupported. Perhaps an injury to your strong hand that doesn't allow you to shoot, but still gives you enough motor control to provide a more stable platform?

Good job spoon.

 

[E.Shell]

We've shot weak hand (sorry... non dominant hand for the SWAT guys) for years in my department. Supported and unsupported. Perhaps an injury to your strong hand that doesn't allow you to shoot, but still gives you enough motor control to provide a more stable platform?

Is the non-dominant hand the submissive hand?

 

[slsc98]

I recently did my LEOSA re-qual. One of the strings of fire was several rounds using your weak hand, but using your strong hand for support. After decades of military and LEO training, this is the first time I've encountered this.

Educate me. If I have two hands available, why would I use my strong hand to support my weak? I've always thought weak hand shooting was to be utilized when you strong hand was out of action.

I shoot a couple of times a week, and shooting one-handed with my weak hand is a common drill...Why would I practice using my weak hand with strong hand for support? Genuinely curious.

Immagunna go out on a limb here and guess it’s because certain people were unable to qualify weak hand only … when faced with the reality of bringing certain people “up” to existing standards, the bureaucrats’ way out is to always, simply (quietly) take the path of least resistance and lower the standards for everyone ….

 

[5cary]

Immagunna go out on a limb here and guess it’s because certain people were unable to qualify weak hand only … when faced with the reality of bringing certain people “up” to existing standards, the bureaucrats’ way out is to always, simply (quietly) take the path of least resistance and lower the standards for everyone ….

That actually makes sense (in a nonsensical sorta way).

 

[Bafflingbs]

I’m with you. The scenarios should be more focused on a concealed carry aspect. Not so much on a duty scenario. Sure, as a retired officer, we might still feel the need or desire to be the police. But in all reality, standing there with your gun out, will probably make you the target of the actual police. That’s an unfortunate hazard, that undercover officers face all the time. Especially in a high stress situation. If it were me, doing the training, I’d have my trainees practicing quick drawing from their normal carrying habits. From under their shirts, no sights and all within 10’. Any other scenario, you probably have the time and opportunity, to escape and report. I do understand that marksmanship can be important, but, in all reality, the incident will happen fast, and end fast. You just have to be the faster one.

 

[spoon059]

Good job spoon.

See, I sometimes pay attention in your Qual sessions...

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[Biggfoot44]

Strong side injured where you cant get a good grip?

Good guess , but no ( in real world answer ) .

If strong side is significantly degraded , you're going weak only .

In a properly done two hand grip/ stance , the strength of the Support Hand is more important than the ( directly holding gun ) hand .

Trust me . A hand injury to my nominally Support hand , has made significant degradation to my two hand shooting.

 

[BurkeM]

Harford followed the MPTC standards,which is the MSP standard.