N.J. launches new effort to take gun industry to court

[bcr229]

So, if they can't ban guns, the state will just make it so risky to sell guns there that no manufacturer will bother.

N.J. launches new effort to take gun industry to court

Attorney general says state will use 'public nuisance law' to target gunmakers, dealers.

www.nj.com

New Jersey officials on Monday announced a new statewide office established to sue firearms companies over gun deaths where firearms are used in violation of existing states laws, saying they’ll use new legislation signed by Gov. Phil Murphy to hold them legally responsible.

The Statewide Affirmative Firearms Enforcement, of SAFE, Office is being stood up specifically to bring civil enforcement actions against gunmakers and dealers that “knowingly or recklessly contribute to a public nuisance in New Jersey through unlawful or unreasonable conduct,” acting Attorney General Matthew Platkin said Monday.

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The new nuisance law passed earlier this month in New Jersey requires gun companies to “establish and implement reasonable procedures, safeguards, and business practices for the sale, manufacture, distribution, importing, and marketing of gun-related products”. Failing to do so could now open them up to lawsuits in state court.

 

[ChannelCat]

How are these a$$holes getting away with this $hit given the Protection of Lawful Commerce law???

 

[Afrikeber]

Unless the firearm they want to hold responsible has AI technology enabling it to jump out of its gun case and indiscriminately shoot people I think not.

 

[DC-W]

This is part of a national effort by Everytown and Brady to usurp the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act of 2005.

Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There were bills that attempted this here in MD, but neither became law. MSI had submitted testimony on them:
https://www.marylandshallissue.org/...fety-firearm-industry-members-public-nuisance

 

[Afrikeber]

Does this open up U.S arms sales to foreign nations for lawsuits from those affected in foreign countries?

 

[6-Pack]

Can I sue Ford or Honda if a DUI driver hits me? Didn’t think so.

 

[DC-W]

Does this open up U.S arms sales to foreign nations for lawsuits from those affected in foreign countries?

That's already happening. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/06/us/mexico-lawsuit-us-gun-manufacturers/index.html

Here's the docket in Estados Unidos Mexicanos v. Smith & Wesson Brands, Inc.

Estados Unidos Mexicanos v. Smith & Wesson Brands, Inc., 1:21-cv-11269 - CourtListener.com

Docket for Estados Unidos Mexicanos v. Smith & Wesson Brands, Inc., 1:21-cv-11269 — Brought to you by Free Law Project, a non-profit dedicated to creating high quality open legal information.

www.courtlistener.com

 

[Captain Waggles]

Can I sue Ford or Honda if a DUI driver hits me? Didn’t think so.

Don't forget to sue the maker of the alcohol for getting them drunk too

 

[Boats]

Can I sue Ford or Honda if a DUI driver hits me? Didn’t think so.

How about Liquor companies if I get hit by a DUI driver? How about Ford or Honda if a "rookie driver" hits me? How about midol if my significant other gets mad at me? What about McDonalds and hostess if a fat guy trips and falls on me? Can we sue rappers for glamorizing anti-social behavior like drug use, theft, assault and murder?

This is horseshit. Typical left wing failure to hold the culpable accountable for their actions.

 

[eruby]

Don't forget to sue the maker of the alcohol for getting them drunk too

Exempt, if their mom got out of prison that day.

 

[bcr229]

How are these a$$holes getting away with this $hit given the Protection of Lawful Commerce law???

Because the PLCAA doesn't have teeth; it needs to have $$$ penalties included for the plaintiffs and the attorneys who file these lawsuits.

 

[6-Pack]

How about Liquor companies if I get hit by a DUI driver? How about Ford or Honda if a "rookie driver" hits me? How about midol if my significant other gets mad at me? What about McDonalds and hostess if a fat guy trips and falls on me? Can we sue rappers for glamorizing anti-social behavior like drug use, theft, assault and murder?

This is horseshit. Typical left wing failure to hold the culpable accountable for their actions.

Maybe we can start suing leftists/Bolsheviks for making our heads hurt trying to understand the logic? Throw in a lawsuit against Advil because it doesn’t work against a leftist/Bolshevik headache.

 

[Afrikeber]

That's already happening. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/06/us/mexico-lawsuit-us-gun-manufacturers/index.html

Here's the docket in Estados Unidos Mexicanos v. Smith & Wesson Brands, Inc.

Estados Unidos Mexicanos v. Smith & Wesson Brands, Inc., 1:21-cv-11269 - CourtListener.com

Docket for Estados Unidos Mexicanos v. Smith & Wesson Brands, Inc., 1:21-cv-11269 — Brought to you by Free Law Project, a non-profit dedicated to creating high quality open legal information.

www.courtlistener.com

Ahh given the billions in dollars U.S arms manufacturers are making, I think not.

U.S. arms exports, by country 2022 | Statista

The statistic shows the U.S.

www.statista.com

 

[DC-W]

Ahh given the billions in dollars U.S arms manufacturers are making, I think not.

U.S. arms exports, by country 2022 | Statista

The statistic shows the U.S.

www.statista.com

Ironically, Sig was not included in Mexico's suit. Wonder why...

Mexico near deal to buy Sig Sauer automatic rifles from U.S. -sources

The small arms maker Sig Sauer Inc has sought U.S. approval to sell millions of dollars' worth of automatic assault rifles to the armed services of Mexico in a deal that will help to modernize the country's military, people familiar with the situation said.

www.reuters.com

 

[Afrikeber]

We are a global superpower for many reasons, two of them are our military might and our ability to mass produce weapons of war. If our government allows the U.S military partners/manufacturers to be financially culpable for what others do with the tools we sell them it changes the global power matrix against the U.S.

 

[Michigander08]

Can I sue Mexico for illegals and drugs smuggling into the US?

 

[TheOriginalMexicanBob]

I don't think these anti-gun groups and politicians care whether they actually win these cases on the merits...but are simply trying to make it so expensive for the industry to fight it they eventually get bankrupted. When MD had the law requiring gun makers to include a fired casing with the gun some opted out of doing business with MD as they didn't care to add the expense of firing every pistol and certify the case was from that pistol just because it might go to MD. The same can be said of the roster board...just the fact of not providing test guns makes for a de facto ban.

Death by a thousand cuts is what happening here.

 

[delaware_export]

Is NJ a POC state for BGC? or Maryland?

it does explain the logic of “not disapproved”. if the state approved, they would be liable, as opposed to… being able to claim “we didn’t approve that purchase/transfer”

 

[135sohc]

Would like to see all of the firearms industry come together, grow a pair and unilaterally cut off all support to any state/local .gov that goes along with this crap and cut the feds off as well. Any authority that does not fall under the posse comitatus act is fair game. When an entire agency cannot get their service firearm maintained and the whole industry has said 'F-U, no guns for you' that would get some attention.

 

[Boats]

Would like to see all of the firearms industry come together, grow a pair and unilaterally cut off all support to any state/local .gov that goes along with this crap and cut the feds off as well. Any authority that does not fall under the posse comitatus act is fair game. When an entire agency cannot get their service firearm maintained and the whole industry has said 'F-U, no guns for you' that would get some attention.

Nice thought, but there would always be one company that would break the picket line, so to speak.