DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
I thought putting a vertical foregrip in front of the mag well was illegal?
Recommend a good AR pistol buffer setup
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I thought putting a vertical foregrip in front of the mag well was illegal?
pwoolford
AR15's make me :-)
I thought this as well because of the barrel < 16"??
HarCo2ANewb
Subibro
VFG under 16" needs a stamp, AFG is OK without a stamp
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
How sure of that are you? I am trying to keep the whole pistol build legal. Is it illegal in MD or the whole US to have a vertical foregrip on a pistol? I'm just asking for clarification on this.
tc617
USN Sub Vet
No rifle stock, VFG, and the OAL is greater than 26", a tax stamp is not required. It is just a Title 1 firearm.
No rifle stock, VFG, and the OAL is less than 26", it is considered concealable (AOW) and an NFA tax stamp is required.
If you really want to dig into building an AR pistol I recommend reading this thread. http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=116795
The ATF letters can be found in the above listed thread.
My AR pistol has a 7.5 inch barrel, Phase 5 buffer assembly on a PSA stripped lower. I have an Eotech 512 as the primary optic and Magpul BUIS as a back up. The lower parts kit is made by White Oak and has anALG ACT trigger purchased from Weapons Outfitters. I also installed a Magpul BAD lever, ASAP end plate and a Hogue rubber pistol grip.
For the record I do not know the barrel/upper maker. I purchased the complete upper for an SBR build from a member here on MDS and he got it from a VA gun show. The price was right and allowed me to keep this build under $700.
The ATF letters can be found in the above listed thread.
My AR pistol has a 7.5 inch barrel, Phase 5 buffer assembly on a PSA stripped lower. I have an Eotech 512 as the primary optic and Magpul BUIS as a back up. The lower parts kit is made by White Oak and has anALG ACT trigger purchased from Weapons Outfitters. I also installed a Magpul BAD lever, ASAP end plate and a Hogue rubber pistol grip.
For the record I do not know the barrel/upper maker. I purchased the complete upper for an SBR build from a member here on MDS and he got it from a VA gun show. The price was right and allowed me to keep this build under $700.
BenL
John Galt Speaking.
Phase 5 with the supplied buffer and spring works great with my 10" Noveske both suppressed and unsuppressed with subsonic 220's.
tc617
USN Sub Vet
Phase 5 with the supplied buffer and spring works great with my 10" Noveske both suppressed and unsuppressed with subsonic 220's.
NICE!
Do you know what the OAL is minus the muzzle device; Is it greater than 26"?
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
A Title 1 firearm is one that just requires a 4473 and no need for any special ATF paperwork/approval, right?
tc617
USN Sub Vet
Correct.
What I was trying to explain is that you can attach a vertical forward grip to an AR-15 pistol as long as it has a OAL greater than 26" and is would not subject to the AOW/NFA tax stamp because it is not concealable upon the body. Here is the ATF letter concerning this subject.
http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf
Good information here. Thanks.
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
Can you recommend an appropriate minimum barrel length to still be able to get to the 26" OAL so if I chose to use a vertical foregrip I would still be legal? I'm leaning towards the Spike's pistol buffer kit that Joe Bob's has if that helps.
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
Remember Barrel Length is determined with the MUZZLE DEVICE removed. Unless the Muzzle Device is PINNED and Welded it does not count for OAL.
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
Gotcha. Am I correct to assume that pistol length barrels come with the muzzle device already pinned and welded to the barrel?
- Aug 17, 2011
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Not all the time.
My Noveske's were just plain bare threads when I bought/received them.
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
Is the OAL of your pistol 26"+ long?
- Aug 17, 2011
- 26,172
I've since sold it, but IIRC I was at 29" (or thereabout).
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
Not that you are, but if you plan to, I would be careful about building ANY Pistol AR with a barrel over 16" (So you can install a FVG). Maryland considers firearms with barrels shorter than 16" Pistols, thus the build would be legal post SB281 since its a Pistol. If the barrel is longer than 16" it could be construed as building a BANNED AR15 firearm configuration since its not a pistol anymore per MD law. Im sure if the Lower was purchased pre 10/1 you would be ok, but I wanted the throw that out there.
DaemonAssassin
Why should we Free BSD?
Gotcha. Thanks Chad.
I guess I'm going to be content with a Magbul AFG2, when I decide to get started with this.
boardboy330
Resident Secret Squirrel
- Mar 18, 2008
- 12,630
You shot my pistol with afg. Did you like it? I think its better than a vfg.
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