Perhaps CC states will get really bold and start to teach firearms safety and marksmanship training in grade school...
Thanks for the added information based on actual experiences.The details of that should be interesting. There's already a robust network of instructors in SC and the one day class is inexpensive, at least mine was. Hopefully the state will contract with some of them regionally to offer it.
There's no provision currently to wave the training except the shooting qualification part for active duty armed services, instructors, etc. I went through the whole class. Lordy, half the class I was in could barely keep it on the paper. IMHO the reps who wanted the keep the training part likely knew that which is why I like the compromise of free training.
Exactly. The state shouldn't be providing a MF thing regarding training. (or permits but that's a different battle) NO mandated training. NO state provided training. NO training requirement whatsoever. JFCIf one more of yoos say “Free”-blah blah blah one more time, I’m gonna plotz!
There ain’t no “free” shit!
So the government pays for it. Where do they get their money again?No Charge to Recipient
Indirect charge to recipient by way of taxes laundered through an inefficient bureaucracy with huge overhead that thus requires even more taxes to badly push some portion of that money towards the “no charge” service. It would be cheaper to directly pay for the instruction time and cut the ravenous government middleman out of the loop.No Charge to Recipient
Back in the day of Spendening, we ALMOST had it here in MD. It was supported by the NRA AND the Brady Campaign, and went thru both houses in Annapolis, but numbnuts vetoed it, and the MGA decided not to challenge.Perhaps CC states will get really bold and start to teach firearms safety and marksmanship training in grade school...
It's kinda hopeless trying to convince some people that state provided firearms training might be a good thing. For people who couldn't otherwise afford a basic pistol class (see my prior comments about people in my SC class who probably won't hit what they're aiming at under stress) to receive that training at no cost is a good thing for the community. An armed, trained citizen is worth way more than an officer ten minutes away when seconds count.No Charge to Recipient
Certainly worth a small fortune to his defense attorney; also providing job security and perhaps a notch in his "conviction" stick for the prosecutor.An armed, trained citizen is worth way more than an officer ten minutes away when seconds count.
Certainly worth a small fortune to his defense attorney; also providing job security and perhaps a notch in his "conviction" stick for the prosecutor.
Why not make that free and mandatory too?Oh, and you're a fool if you don't have carry insurance.
Average response time for police in New York City is now over 16 minutes.It's kinda hopeless trying to convince some people that state provided firearms training might be a good thing. For people who couldn't otherwise afford a basic pistol class (see my prior comments about people in my SC class who probably won't hit what they're aiming at under stress) to receive that training at no cost is a good thing for the community. An armed, trained citizen is worth way more than an officer ten minutes away when seconds count.
Training is a good thing, especially for someone that would like to carry for self defense. I agree with that fully, having been both a student and instructor. There are many levels of training, Trop gun shop up here offers a basic class with range time for a small fee that is credited towards to cost of a firearm purchase, which is a great thing. It does take regular training and frequent practice to develop the muscle memory involved with more complex defensive tactics. The best classes I have attended for things like tactical carbine had notes and several drills and excercises to practice afterwards, the class simply informs you how to reinforce the skills they taught. It is impossible to retain much even after several days in a class unless the methods are practiced and drilled regularly.It's kinda hopeless trying to convince some people that state provided firearms training might be a good thing. For people who couldn't otherwise afford a basic pistol class (see my prior comments about people in my SC class who probably won't hit what they're aiming at under stress) to receive that training at no cost is a good thing for the community. An armed, trained citizen is worth way more than an officer ten minutes away when seconds count.
Yup. There's also the other thing... citizens carry to be able to defend themselves. "Defending yourself" also includes, "...from being thrown in jail". People are responsible for every shot they fire. There is both a natural motivating factor in this for citizens to become trained on their own AND punitive mechanisms in place to dole out consequences for the improper use of a firearm.Training is a good thing, especially for someone that would like to carry for self defense. I agree with that fully, having been both a student and instructor. There are many levels of training, Trop gun shop up here offers a basic class with range time for a small fee that is credited towards to cost of a firearm purchase, which is a great thing. It does take regular training and frequent practice to develop the muscle memory involved with more complex defensive tactics. The best classes I have attended for things like tactical carbine had notes and several drills and excercises to practice afterwards, the class simply informs you how to reinforce the skills they taught. It is impossible to retain much even after several days in a class unless the methods are practiced and drilled regularly.
If the government says it's "free" it is not free. "State sponsored training" has a cost funded by taxpayers, probably well more than it actually cost being "laundered through an innefficient burocracy"(quoting Occam) and it invites both corruption, and government oversite and regulation of the firearms training community. This should be terrifying to other instructors, especially if you have looked into the issues with MD's absurd system, and abuses by both s#!tty instructors and government F-ing it all up.
Requiring training as a condition of carry is unconstitutional, and has been abused as an obstacle to exercising our rights. It is also probably the #1 talking point of those opposed to constitutional carry, including gun folk. In practice, most of the country doesn't have a training requirement, and there isn't statistical data really backing up that the states with a requirement have any change in accidents. There is also the practical matter, like the 1 day class you posted about, 1 day of training will help, but it takes much more than that to be proficient.
LOL, would think that we have learned that some of the worst government abuses are "free and mandatory".Why not make that free and mandatory too?
Indirect charge to recipient by way of taxes laundered through an inefficient bureaucracy with huge overhead that thus requires even more taxes to badly push some portion of that money towards the “no charge” service. It would be cheaper to directly pay for the instruction time and cut the ravenous government middleman out of the loop.
LOL, then why are you slumming it with us deplorables on MD shooters?SC is about to have constitutional carry with free training for those who want it. You guys need to move to America and breathe in some freedom. MD's toxic blue is clouding your brains.
Because I use to live there and was active with MSI. Escaped to America last year. Still contribute to MSI because you guys still live in toxic Maryland, that place where corrupt politicians only give a crap about the criminal class who supports them. I like reading the court smackdown Mark keeps winning.