House Gun Bill Day - 3/4

[ShallNotInfringe]

So do we have an idea when the committee will issue their favorable or unfavorable reports on these bills?

Lol. Can you say circular file?

 

[Mr H]

SO glad the pics aren't better!!!

 

[jc1240]

I'm watching the the crazy lady at the end. The descriptions here do her testimony no justice with regard to the entertainment value. You simply have to watch it.

For someone claiming to be in favor of 2A rights, she sure sounded like she was from the other camp.

 

[Not_an_outlaw]

It's great that she testified. It shows the other side really is nuts.

 

[ShallNotInfringe]

I'm watching the the crazy lady at the end. The descriptions here do her testimony no justice with regard to the entertainment value. You simply have to watch it.

For someone claiming to be in favor of 2A rights, she sure sounded like she was from the other camp.

She was signed up as UNFAVORABLE to HB60. The one and only citizen that testified an opposite position to the firearms community on any of the 30 bills addressed yesterday.

But... There were plenty MSP written testimonies submitted to register O'Malley's positions on the bills.

Nothing like the people v the state.

 

[dogbone]

I'm watching the the crazy lady at the end. The descriptions here do her testimony no justice with regard to the entertainment value. You simply have to watch it.

For someone claiming to be in favor of 2A rights, she sure sounded like she was from the other camp.

I was quite impressed by the eloquence and logic of her testimony... when I wasn't busy trying not to ruin the decorum of the committee room by rolling on the floor in laughter.

 

[jc1240]

Right - she opposes HB60, but she doesn't want FSA2013 to stick around. She confuses me (well, not really because I don't take her seriously).

 

[Mr H]

Right - she opposes HB60, but she doesn't want FSA2013 to stick around. She confuses me (well, not really because I don't take her seriously).

Opposing HB60 gives her a reason to live.

If FSA13 is scrapped, then she has nothing left to fight for.

 

[Raineman]

The one and only citizen that testified an opposite position to the firearms community on any of the 30 bills addressed yesterday.

Proof to me that the fix was already in. Nobody needed to be there in opposition.

 

[montoya32]

I recall an event here on the forum where an individual attacked a forum member and the rest of the community dug the aggressor a new grave. I can't seem to remember the event, but it was quite effective

Maybe we need to implement guerilla tactics

 

[Mr H]

Proof to me that the fix was already in. Nobody needed to be there in opposition.

I have to be honest here... I've been wondering about that myself.

In reality, the only opposing testimony has been some written filings by MSP.


Three possibilities I can see from the opposition...

They know it's lost and are just going through the motions.
They know it's won and are just going through the motions.
They simply refuse to be set up for scrutiny.

The wildcard here, though, is that there are no private citizens (besides Pumbaa) who are stepping up to say ANYTHING. This proves to me that the opposition we saw last year was 100% synthetic.

 

[Mr H]

I recall an event here on the forum where an individual attacked a forum member and the rest of the community dug the aggressor a new grave. I can't seem to remember the event, but it was quite effective

Maybe we need to implement guerilla tactics

Hmmm... I wonder.........



Don't mess with Godzilla.

 

[Clovis]

I knew I knew that name. She was/is often a guest with Pat McDonough when he subs for Tom Marr. Goggle him and her together. She runs/ran some sort of anti-hispanic "group" and has done shows with McDonough more than once. Refered to as his hit woman.

If she is working with DuMais...

 

[Arcamm]

So when will the committee take action on this?

 

[DC-W]

The only anti during the Senate testimony was Erin and she didn't even testify.

No one is as vigilant or caring a group as we all are and I think that is why we don't see more opposition.

Do not underestimate them though.

 

[Gryphon]

My best guess is that some of it will be passed favorably out of committee (retired police w/guns in schools, maybe even the repealing the casing requirement), and who knows what will happen to it on the full floor, or even if the Senate gets involved, but that the rest will just die in committee. So until we bounce someone's ass out of office on the 2A issues and take legitimate credit for it we still haven't gotten their sincere attention. Remember they know better, or at least have been told they know better . . .

 

[Mr H]

That's why it's now time -- while keeping attention here -- for the DINO bus to get fired up.

Election noise has to start sooner rather than later.

 

[tsmith1499]

It is my understanding that the reason MSP gave written testimony and no verbal testimony is because of the current litigation on FSA2013. Written testimony can be gone over with a fine tooth comb before submission. But if they accidently get asked a question and say something contrary to what is written, well there goes the ballgame. Maybe Dblas can confirm or deny this. I do not remember where I heard it, but it does make sense from a strategy standpoint. It's that whole opening the door thing in legal circles.

 

[teratos]

It is my understanding that the reason MSP gave written testimony and no verbal testimony is because of the current litigation on FSA2013. Written testimony can be gone over with a fine tooth comb before submission. But if they accidently get asked a question and say something contrary to what is written, well there goes the ballgame. Maybe Dblas can confirm or deny this. I do not remember where I heard it, but it does make sense from a strategy standpoint. It's that whole opening the door thing in legal circles.

That's my understanding. They don't want to answer any questions in front of the Committee, because that could be brought up in court.

 

[smokey]

My best guess is that some of it will be passed favorably out of committee (retired police w/guns in schools, maybe even the repealing the casing requirement), and who knows what will happen to it on the full floor, or even if the Senate gets involved, but that the rest will just die in committee. So until we bounce someone's ass out of office on the 2A issues and take legitimate credit for it we still haven't gotten their sincere attention. Remember they know better, or at least have been told they know better . . .

Yeah...that's why I mostly geared my testimony at them thinking of 2A rights as universal civil rights that transcend political party, and for them to think of the upcoming votes. I attempted to latch on to a democratic talking point like "equality"(...they always push for racial equality, financial equality, job equality, educational equality, gender equality...) and tried to challenge myself how many times I could use a democratic catchphrase in pro-gun testimony. I tried my best to make the 2A something that is most beneficial to women and minorities, and tried to equate 2A civil rights struggles to the civil rights struggles of the past. I tried to attach these largely democratic movements to the 2A in the minds of potential voters as they choose in the voter's box. to give them something to think about with elections coming up.

I know the bills don't have much future, but they're sure sweating over 2014.