Range Officer Temperament

[Billcw]

Originally Posted by gre24ene View Post
OnTarget had a ND in their showroom this past weekend.

A guy was at the counter and showed the clerk his .380. Locked the slide back, got the OK, then inserted the mag, dropped the slide, and

wait for it...


PULLED THE TRIGGER.


"UM, SIR, we are gonna ask you to leave..

How many more issues is this place going to have before they are shut down? What a train wreck they are.

How is this the stores fault ? I have been there when someone who was Law Enforcement did the same thing while hitting an employee with shrapnel ? Again How is this the stores fault ?

I am looking forward to hearing this one ....

 

[MEGARMS]

Originally Posted by gre24ene View Post
OnTarget had a ND in their showroom this past weekend.

A guy was at the counter and showed the clerk his .380. Locked the slide back, got the OK, then inserted the mag, dropped the slide, and

wait for it...


PULLED THE TRIGGER.


"UM, SIR, we are gonna ask you to leave..



How is this the stores fault ? I have been there when someone who was Law Enforcement did the same thing while hitting an employee with shrapnel ? Again How is this the stores fault ?

I am looking forward to hearing this one ....

Not really a matter of "fault," more so one of "responsibility." Has there not been a pattern of very bad things happening at this place?

In this case, no one got hurt, but what if someone had been? Who is gonna pay?

At some point, I would imagine the insurance company saying "were done here because we are no longer comfortable with the risk of bad things happening that are not your fault." It may not be their "fault." but they are certainly responsible for what happens in their business.

 

[Billcw]

Not really a matter of "fault," more so one of "responsibility." Has there not been a pattern of very bad things happening at this place?

In this case, no one got hurt, but what if someone had been? Who is gonna pay?

At some point, I would imagine the insurance company saying "were done here because we are no longer comfortable with the risk of bad things happening that are not your fault." It may not be their "fault." but they are certainly responsible for what happens in their business.

No nobody got hurt but you are assuming there are all these issues which are false .. The store is not responsible for an accidental discharge .. Rules are stated as you enter and if you choose to ignore them then its on you. I can see if the firearm is being handled by an employee unsafe and something happens . And if someone were to get hurt I am sure the owner of said firearm as well as the store are looking at a lawsuit but nothing shocking in this day and age ..

And no there has not been a pattern of very bad things .. The place has been around for nearly if not 30 years . If it was that dangerous I doubt they would have lasted this long as a business . SO again ..whats this pattern ..

Safe handling of our own FIREARMS is our responsibility 1st!!
You see something going on unsafe Tell an RSO or and employee .

 

[Mr H]

OnTarget had a ND in their showroom this past weekend.

A guy was at the counter and showed the clerk his .380. Locked the slide back, got the OK, then inserted the mag, dropped the slide, and

wait for it...


PULLED THE TRIGGER.


"UM, SIR, we are gonna ask you to leave..

How many more issues is this place going to have before they are shut down? What a train wreck they are.

How is this OT's fault?!

Morons gonna moron, and staff can't do but so much, so fast.

 

[gre24ene]

No nobody got hurt but you are assuming there are all these issues which are false .. The store is not responsible for an accidental discharge .. Rules are stated as you enter and if you choose to ignore them then its on you. I can see if the firearm is being handled by an employee unsafe and something happens . And if someone were to get hurt I am sure the owner of said firearm as well as the store are looking at a lawsuit but nothing shocking in this day and age ..

And no there has not been a pattern of very bad things .. The place has been around for nearly if not 30 years . If it was that dangerous I doubt they would have lasted this long as a business . SO again ..whats this pattern ..

Safe handling of our own FIREARMS is our responsibility 1st!!
You see something going on unsafe Tell an RSO or and employee .

I go to OnTarget weekly and the employees are very attentive. I don't care what range whether indoor or outdoor there will be accidents because unfortunately not everyone who shares this hobby should be in it.

That said, there is a 'newer' employee at OnTarget who I have seen on 2 different days that was a little to gung ho in the way he interacted with shooters on the line. 1 incident a person was filming a friend shooting and the way he told the person that filming wasn't allowed was a little over the top.
But like everyone says about gun shops:
Their store, their rules.

 

[gre24ene]

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How is this the stores fault ? I have been there when someone who was Law Enforcement did the same thing while hitting an employee with shrapnel ? Again How is this the stores fault ?

I am looking forward to hearing this one ....[/QUOTE]

Never said it was OnTargets fualt.

 

[Vile Shadow]

How is this OT's fault?!

Morons gonna moron, and staff can't do but so much, so fast.

True, but Megarms is right about one thing, and that's the power of the insurance industry. They hold a LOT of sway over the big truck truckin' industry with stuff like who gets hired and who don't, so I'd imagine a place with a hell of a lot of potential liability like a shootin' range is kinda in the same type of position.

 

[Brown016]

I have only been to Continental. This is mostly because it is super convenient. I have only had one odd encounter there and every now and then someone leaves off the part about being polite but, it hasn't bothered me too much. But then again, what do I know? What's a decent range around the 695 that is a nice place to go? I wouldn't mind see how other people live. I'm not originally from Maryland and have only picked up shooting in recent years so my depth of knowledge is limited in this area (plus I'm a homebody and creature of habit)...In 15 years of living/working up here, the only thing I have been good at finding is chicken places and bars with good happy hour deals.

 

[psusra112]

How is this OT's fault?!

Morons gonna moron, and staff can't do but so much, so fast.

Not their fault, per se. However, they'll be held liable by their insurer and their risk score will be adjusted upward, as will their rates for insurance.

As far as that alleged story, one could say that "then inserted the mag" should have prompted the clerk to stop that act right there, thus stopping the ND from happening, if this happened where I think it did. No reason for a mag to be loaded, let alone inserted, anywhere other than the firing line.

 

[RobSky]

Not their fault, per se. However, they'll be held liable by their insurer and their risk score will be adjusted upward, as will their rates for insurance.

As far as that alleged story, one could say that "then inserted the mag" should have prompted the clerk to stop that act right there, thus stopping the ND from happening, if this happened where I think it did. No reason for a mag to be loaded, let alone inserted, anywhere other than the firing line.

IF it's reported to them. If no injuries, I don't think AD's have to be reported.

 

[A1Uni]

Hoping to enjoy some safe target practice today only to be harangued by some young sh%t, hot-headed range officer. Having just shot the center out of my target with my 9mm, this young idiot claimed that I hit a ceiling rafter by aiming to high. I told him to count the holes: 15 hits with a 15 round magazine. Trying, pathetically, to assert himself with a stern glare, he stated, forcefully, "don't shoot high." Then the little ______ stood behind me for five minutes. Seriously, who thinks hiring some 20 year old hot-head to be a range officer is a good idea? Yet another reason to swear-off that place (as if their ridiculous retail prices aren't bad enough!).

Temperament of a range officer is important. You can be assertive while still being calm, professional and polite. Two more things. Don't touch my weapon without asking and keep your "know-it-all" attitude to yourself too. You might be talking to someone who has five lifetimes worth of shooting experience. Soapbox: "DISMOUNT!"

I went to "an outdoor range" in the Frederick area with a friend once, it was awful, with commando-looking range officers walking up and down "carrying invisible luggage," you know the look. They talked to shooters who had paid to be there like they were children and as far as I could see did little to enhance safety.

I'll never go back there.

Unfortunately a lot of ranges have RSOs who want to be the big fish in the little pond; fortunately, I have found places to shoot where RSOs treat people like adults and try to be helpful as opposed to overbearing jerks.

 

[Second Amendment]

I go to OnTarget weekly and the employees are very attentive. I don't care what range whether indoor or outdoor there will be accidents because unfortunately not everyone who shares this hobby should be in it.

That said, there is a 'newer' employee at OnTarget who I have seen on 2 different days that was a little to gung ho in the way he interacted with shooters on the line. 1 incident a person was filming a friend shooting and the way he told the person that filming wasn't allowed was a little over the top.
But like everyone says about gun shops:
Their store, their rules.

I used to shoot at OT. There were some very nice employees and some real
a55holes. It seems the bad ones outnumber the good ones. With Freestate in business, OT won't get any more of my money.

 

[daggo66]

Not their fault, per se. However, they'll be held liable by their insurer and their risk score will be adjusted upward, as will their rates for insurance.

As far as that alleged story, one could say that "then inserted the mag" should have prompted the clerk to stop that act right there, thus stopping the ND from happening, if this happened where I think it did. No reason for a mag to be loaded, let alone inserted, anywhere other than the firing line.

Next thing you know the insurance company will limit them to 1 shot every 4 seconds and they'll put in a security system that gets set off by cell phones...

 

[Bertfish]

I go to OnTarget weekly and the employees are very attentive. I don't care what range whether indoor or outdoor there will be accidents because unfortunately not everyone who shares this hobby should be in it.

That said, there is a 'newer' employee at OnTarget who I have seen on 2 different days that was a little to gung ho in the way he interacted with shooters on the line. 1 incident a person was filming a friend shooting and the way he told the person that filming wasn't allowed was a little over the top.
But like everyone says about gun shops:
Their store, their rules.

Why do ranges even care about taking pictures on the firing line?

Trying to avoid someone coming in to "identify" local gun owners or something?

I'm sure there is a reason but I've never understood the policy.

 

[mopar92]

Why do ranges even care about taking pictures on the firing line?

Trying to avoid someone coming in to "identify" local gun owners or something?

I'm sure there is a reason but I've never understood the policy.

MD has a very large indigenous population of secret squirrel types who might not appreciate being photographed. Plus, most people like privacy and would prefer not to be caught in the background of a photo with their stuff. Or like me when I call in sick and reek the next day of gunpowder.

 

[Hawkeye]

waling up and down "carrying invisible luggage," you know the look.

That is a fantastic turn of phrase.

I'm going to steal it for future use.

Why do ranges even care about taking pictures on the firing line?

The only legit thing I've ever been able to think of is that they're trying to cut down on people dicking around instead of paying attention to what they're doing with a gun. Maybe they don't want people striking poses whereby they muzzle sweep the other dozen people on the line so they can get a "cool" pic or whatever.

 

[Billcw]

Why do ranges even care about taking pictures on the firing line?

Trying to avoid someone coming in to "identify" local gun owners or something?

I'm sure there is a reason but I've never understood the policy.

Because people will do stupid things like take selfies with out watching where the gun is pointed (at themselves or another shooter in the lane next to them for instance) Just saying ..There are many other reasons as well ..But people get dumb with safety over a pic ..

 

[Erno86]

I have only been to Continental. This is mostly because it is super convenient. I have only had one odd encounter there and every now and then someone leaves off the part about being polite but, it hasn't bothered me too much. But then again, what do I know? What's a decent range around the 695 that is a nice place to go? I wouldn't mind see how other people live. I'm not originally from Maryland and have only picked up shooting in recent years so my depth of knowledge is limited in this area (plus I'm a homebody and creature of habit)...In 15 years of living/working up here, the only thing I have been good at finding is chicken places and bars with good happy hour deals.

AGC @ Marriottsville

http://www.associatedgunclubs.org

 

[photoracer]

When I used to shoot exclusively indoors prior to becoming a competition shooter On Target was the only place that got my repeat business other than the range off Penn. Ave. east of DC. I will never deal with Freestate/Continental after they basically stole a firearm my late wife traded for at a gunshow.

 

[PJDiesel]

....wrong thread....