Just sent my democratic congressional Rep an email

[JoeyBimmer]

Yeah, in an ideal world I would want the Green New Deal. I don’t think it’s a political reality though.

have you actually read the green new deal? Its short, and terribe

Here is some cliff notes,

cites the inaccurate incorrect 'wage gap' of women to men at a "Women at median earning at least 80% of what men earn" - this has been proven false many times.

Then the rest of it is just a bunch if wishes with no solutions, and a lot of contradictory wants, it wants family sustainable wages, but also wants the federal government to do all these things to make sure the temperature does not continue to rise more then two degrees Celsius every year, while also changing all the infrastructure in the US, while also making sure unions can uionize, but also bringing manufacturing back to the US, while also doing blah de blah, it strikes me as written by someone who does not have a good touch with reality, and does not know how many of these things they went to change actually happen in the real world.

 

[JoeyBimmer]

I hear it’s ok to drink in the AGC clubhouse if anyone’s down.

I am down for that.

 

[JoeyBimmer]

I can always be persuaded one way or another, I’m no ideologue. But what I’ve observed over the last decade along with what I know about the cost of the technology has me convinced that there’s little or nothing we can do to stop what’s already in motion. This isn’t an opinion I share with coworkers, bc I won’t undermine a worthy effort regardless. I could be wrong and I hope I am. Michael Shellenberger has been making a case against alarmism but I’m not convinced yet. The clean energy industry has actually been trying to push back against “alarmists” like me bc they depend on convincing people that wind and solar will have a substantial impact. I think carbon capture has promise but the tech is so expensive we’d have to spend 3x global gdp, so at the moment it’s a pipe dream. Add the current economic crisis in, we may not be investing in anything beyond maintaining the current infrastructure and putting out fires (literally and figuratively). Like with anything I think we’re inevitably gonna shift to adaptation. There’s a lot of ppl on earth and when things get bad they’re gonna pack up and move to where it’s less bad. That’s often where war breaks out. Fwiw the US might be one of the safest places to be. Relatively mild warming and we’re geographically protected. Europe not so much on either count.

well said.

 

[JoeyBimmer]

Into the pockets of their friends and them...

yes...

 

[JamesDong]

AS GW once said "You're either with us or against us". There is no reasoning with the left. They want it ALL their way, no exceptions.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

If he’s gonna wipe his ass with it, print it on sandpaper. But he may like that

If he is gonna wipe his ass with it, rub it in poison ivy, oak, and sumac first.

 

[JoeyBimmer]

AS GW once said "You're either with us or against us". There is no reasoning with the left. They want it ALL their way, no exceptions.

The middle left opposing these extreame ideas seem ok,

its the far left and those weak enough on the middle left who align with them.

 

[rbird7282]

The middle left opposing these extreame ideas seem ok,

its the far left and those weak enough on the middle left who align with them.

There is no such thing as the middle left anymore, at least not with respect to politicians


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[JamesDong]

The middle left opposing these extreame ideas seem ok,

its the far left and those weak enough on the middle left who align with them.

Zell Miller has been dead for years. Manchin is got the wannabe moderates snookered but he too is a lying snake in the grass pos.

 

[WillyP]

Wasted Effort

He is going to vote as Pelosi tells him to. Has he ever voted against her?

 

[JoeyBimmer]

There is no such thing as the middle left anymore, at least not with respect to politicians


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I don't believe that.

 

[Occam]

I don't believe that.

Demonstrate why you don't believe it. The evidence suggests that the party has slipped fully under the control of the crazy left. If you don't believe that's true, you should be able to show examples of the crazy left being talked down and disavowed by the centrists you think still run the show. I see no such thing present.

 

[JoeyBimmer]

Demonstrate why you don't believe it. The evidence suggests that the party has slipped fully under the control of the crazy left. If you don't believe that's true, you should be able to show examples of the crazy left being talked down and disavowed by the centrists you think still run the show. I see no such thing present.

sure thing,

To start, I lean right, slightly, this election I cannot punch all the "R's" I see on the ballot hard enough.

The problem as I see it is most of the Democrats seem to just choose whatever issue they think will get them votes and adhere to it, they have no spines, or it is a clever ploy to grab power (most likely this)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_Blue_Dog_Coalition#2020_elections

The screaming minority of people pushing this radical ideology currently definitely cannot mean that the entire party thinks and wants these things. I don't have time to dig into each one of these Democrats, but I look at places like Atlanta, and know some of these Dem politicians do have to hold some views that have some form of conservatism in them.

If you believe what you said to be true that is quite a pessimistic view, and I just don't share it. I am trying to have faith in some honest people. This 'silent' majority everyone speaks of cannot be solely filled with conservatives and right leaning people.

Look at those folks who went out in Philadelphia a few months ago to defend the statues. That is a city with 82% democrats, there had to be some Democrat's in those defense posses, and there has to be some of them being represented in the house, and the senate.

All these thoughts might be because I am only 34, it could be me making a lack of wisdom and judgement mistake.

 

[gremlin42]

sure thing,

To start, I lean right, slightly, this election I cannot punch all the "R's" I see on the ballot hard enough.

The problem as I see it is most of the Democrats seem to just choose whatever issue they think will get them votes and adhere to it, they have no spines, or it is a clever ploy to grab power (most likely this)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_Blue_Dog_Coalition#2020_elections

The screaming minority of people pushing this radical ideology currently definitely cannot mean that the entire party thinks and wants these things. I don't have time to dig into each one of these Democrats, but I look at places like Atlanta, and know some of these Dem politicians do have to hold some views that have some form of conservatism in them.

If you believe what you said to be true that is quite a pessimistic view, and I just don't share it. I am trying to have faith in some honest people. This 'silent' majority everyone speaks of cannot be solely filled with conservatives and right leaning people.

Look at those folks who went out in Philadelphia a few months ago to defend the statues. That is a city with 82% democrats, there had to be some Democrat's in those defense posses, and there has to be some of them being represented in the house, and the senate.

All these thoughts might be because I am only 34, it could be me making a lack of wisdom and judgement mistake.

Center-left here, progressive in many ways still but I’ve been arguing politics alot lately with friends and already regret wading back into this thread. Also increasingly left libertarian these days. I’m probably getting a little more conservative as I get older but I’m just not a traditionalist type by nature. Just trying to say people like me exist, who have left of center views but would love to see antifa rioters launched into the sun. I think extremism is increasing across the board and both parties are pretending they don’t have toxic stuff going on. Centrists like me get nervous in times like these bc we can’t win, no matter what I say if we end up in a civil war someone will want to burn me as a heretic. Lots of mobs forming these days which makes me nervous, maybe it’s bc I’m half jewish but I think I have a pretty good shit’s-hitting-the-fan detector.

So anyway, yeah lots of moderate democrats are useful idiots for what is increasingly looking like a Maoist movement. You can be left of center and abhor groupthink and authoritarianism, which is why I think maybe left-libertarian describes me. Trust me when I say that I value law and order and hate anarchists as much as anyone here, and I don’t think I’m at all unique. My dad is an old school union democrat but also a disabled ww2 combat vet (still alive), so I grew up with a different example than the current liberal stereotype. There’s a spectrum and I’d guess most ppl are near the middle, they’re just hard to hear over the mobs.

Anybody here listen to the Rogan podcast? That’s roughly where I’d say I sit on the spectrum. He’s a left leaning gun guy. I wouldn’t expect someone who likes weed as much as him to vote Republican.

Single best political conversation I’ve heard recently and advocacy for a progressive viewpoint was Eric Weinstein (I’m a big fan of his - his brother is the former Evergreen College professor, Bret) on the Ted Cruz podcast. Honestly I went into it reluctantly bc I thought Ted Cruz was a complete turd. But I have to admit I came out with a different opinion and that I had some media-influenced prejudices. Anyway this is on youtube, Eric makes a case for a third path, he’s still progressive but he wants the adults to start cooperating to fix things. That’s where I am, a society needs its conservatives and for lack of a better word its progressives. When things break down it’s like a cancer growing out of control from both sides.

I really don’t believe in making moral judgements about someone bc of what political group they belong to, or race or whatever- it’s about the individual. Of my core group of friends who go back to college, the political spectrum is christian conservative to progressive hippie. We’re brutal when we argue politics but it’s funny and there’s still love and nobody’s accusing anyone of trying to destroy the country (usually).

If I were a single issue voter things would be easy bc guns, but there are other issues that are important to me and there’s no party in america I can completely get behind. Not saying here how I’m voting. Maybe I’m not even sure yet...

 

[gremlin42]

Oh and to quote that Ted Cruz and Eric Weinstein conversation - Ted says “well the New York Times has gone hard left.” Eric says “they’re not left, they’re f**king crazy.”

 

[Bob A]

I think drastic action is needed to address climate change and see it as the greatest danger in the world today.

Climat change, formerly Global Warming, previously the New Ice Age, is certainly a threat.

It was, in fact, what opened my eyes to the corruption of science by politics. Once the Global Warming crowd started fudging the (deliberately) poorly-collected data to support their position, and their emails to that effect were outed, it became obvious that this was just another scam.

Now there's actual science, and politically correct science, and they do not come to the same conclusions. That bodes ill for the planet, and for mankind. But hey, you want the grants, you support the agenda of the group doling out the cash.

 

[JamesDong]

I think drastic action is needed to address climate change and see it as the greatest danger in the world today.

Apparently both Bobo and his wife Michael don't agree with you since they just bought 14 million dollars worth of waterfront.

 

[gremlin42]

Apparently both Bobo and his wife Michael don't agree with you since they just bought 14 million dollars worth of waterfront.

Sea level rise is barking up the wrong tree in terms of priority, though check out what’s happening in Bangladesh. Extreme heat events are happening faster than expected. Check out recent dew point records in the Middle East, and record wet bulb temps. Death Valley just hit 130 F.

And I’d say waterfront property is fine as long as it’s not within a few feet of sea level. If you’re rich and connected enough you probably have a couple backup lairs.

 

[rbird7282]

sure thing,

To start, I lean right, slightly, this election I cannot punch all the "R's" I see on the ballot hard enough.

The problem as I see it is most of the Democrats seem to just choose whatever issue they think will get them votes and adhere to it, they have no spines, or it is a clever ploy to grab power (most likely this)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_Blue_Dog_Coalition#2020_elections

The screaming minority of people pushing this radical ideology currently definitely cannot mean that the entire party thinks and wants these things. I don't have time to dig into each one of these Democrats, but I look at places like Atlanta, and know some of these Dem politicians do have to hold some views that have some form of conservatism in them.
Then why don't you hear any Dem politicians talk about a more moderate platform? Why aren't they pushing back against the far Left that is running the party?

If you believe what you said to be true that is quite a pessimistic view, and I just don't share it. I am trying to have faith in some honest people. There are no honest politicians, at least not that I've ever seen. This 'silent' majority everyone speaks of cannot be solely filled with conservatives and right leaning people.

Look at those folks who went out in Philadelphia a few months ago to defend the statues. That is a city with 82% democrats, there had to be some Democrat's in those defense posses, and there has to be some of them being represented in the house, and the senate.
There are people who have more moderate views, but I don't believe politicians are among them. If there are, they should be ashamed for not speaking up and letting their party get hijacked by the Far Left.
All these thoughts might be because I am only 34, it could be me making a lack of wisdom and judgement mistake.

Age may have something to do with it. The longer you're alive the more you realize that the wonderful system our Founding Fathers put in place has been corrupted by political greed, corruption, and lifelong politicians.

 

[BigT]

check out what’s happening in Bangladesh.

I'm not sure where you stand on this - is it man made or part of the larger climate changes that have happened forever?? Both??

That portion of the Indian subcontinent has had all sorts of weather extremes forever.. - What sort of things are they doing to stem this?

The left makes it a first world problem to implement the "fixes" - I've traveled in that region.. Most places are either filthy or pristine - commoners live in filth.. Money lives in pristine areas.. Building and developing a growing middle class will help all of these countries clean themselves up.. Destroying the strongest economy in the world with the green new deal does nothing to help build the middle class of any of these third world countries.. Does any one the left think China or India are going to implement a green new deal??