High cap mags

[Kevingston]

I understand that we are permitted to possess them in state, but not buy them in state. What's the regulation on shipping them out? Does it have to go to an FFL? Or is it dependant on the regulations in the destination?

 

[GMCometh]

I understand that we are permitted to possess them in state, but not buy them in state. What's the regulation on shipping them out? Does it have to go to an FFL? Or is it dependant on the regulations in the destination?

If you're shipping them, I imagine you are selling them....which is a big no-no.

"A person may not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer a detachable magazine that has a capacity of more than 10 rounds of ammunition for a firearm."

Correct me if I'm wrong everyone, but my understanding is that you cannot put these up for sale in Maryland, even if intending to sell them to a buyer out of state.

 

[Docster]

If you're shipping them, I imagine you are selling them....which is a big no-no.

"A person may not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer a detachable magazine that has a capacity of more than 10 rounds of ammunition for a firearm."

Correct me if I'm wrong everyone, but my understanding is that you cannot put these up for sale in Maryland, even if intend to sell them to a buyer out of state.

...and that part

 

[Melnic]

I'm offended often by the term High Cap Mag

MD outlaws Standard Capacity Magazine transfers within the state > 10 rounds with Exceptions

 

[Kevingston]

The exact verbage of the law is what I was looking for but can't find on MSP's website. So you can only give them away or is that also disallowed?

If you're shipping them, I imagine you are selling them....which is a big no-no.

"A person may not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer a detachable magazine that has a capacity of more than 10 rounds of ammunition for a firearm."

Correct me if I'm wrong everyone, but my understanding is that you cannot put these up for sale in Maryland, even if intending to sell them to a buyer out of state.

 

[joppaj]

The exact verbage of the law is what I was looking for but can't find on MSP's website. So you can only give them away or is that also disallowed?

That would be a transfer. Can't do it.

 

[mauser58]

So what gives the government or ATF to define what number substantiates hi capacity. Is there a dividing like 8 rounds is low capacity but nine rounds is hi. I am tired of them azzes insulting me . In Maryland you cant sell or buy as the returds call hi capacity but you can own them. Several years ago I was buying the mags from some of the major distributors as parts. They simply would take the mags apart and put into a zip lock baggie. Now it is supposedly stopped and don't know how. In pieces it is pieces and parts so how can they decipher that. I very simply take a nice ride one Saturday to visit friends in PA. I just so happen see a gun shop like Cabelas or Gander mountain on the way back. Problem solved.

 

[Kevingston]

That would be a transfer. Can't do it.

Gotcha. Would it be any different selling a regulated firearm which comes from the factory with such magazines?

 

[Bertfish]

Gotcha. Would it be any different selling a regulated firearm which comes from the factory with such magazines?

Doesnt matter. Most OEMs will have compliant models, the difference being theyll come with 10 round magazines instead of 30s or 20s or whatever.

 

[echo6mike]

Gotcha. Would it be any different selling a regulated firearm which comes from the factory with such magazines?

Nope. You can't sell the magazines in, into, or from the state of Maryland no matter where they came from. You can sell the regulated firearm, but not the magazines.

ETA: can't sell them, give them away, or anything else. You can use them or you can take them out of Maryland and do something with them there.

 

[SkiPatrolDude]

The correct term is standard capacity mags. Unless you are referring to magazines that do indeed hold more than a factory flush fit or what a standard 30 round rifle mag would fit.

A 10 round magazine in a Glock 17 is a "low" capacity mag. A standard glock 17 magazine holds 17. A 33 round Glock "stick mag" would be a high capacity magazine.

But to answer your question, magazines over 10 rounds are perfectly legal to possess and use in Maryland, however you can not purchase them here, nor give, receive, buy, or sell between you and someone else within MD state lines.

You can legitamately take one step into PA, DE, VA, or WVA, depending on where you are and take possession of said magazines.

 

[Magnumite]

I don’t know why this standard magazine, high capacity magazine terminology use is an issue. At one time handguns and rifles fed from magazines holding 10 rounds or less. When the Smiths, Glocks, High Power (already around) came around and got popular they were touted as having high capacity magazines. All over the firearm press, among shooters, manufacturers, etc.. Its documented. The term standard capacity is not fooling anyone and by law it looks like any capacity over 10 rounds is considered high capacity. We know the standard capacity of some pistols are high capacity.

If I buy a Para mag and the merchant wants to know what capacity I want, if I state “standard capacity” I get a 10 rounder. Sorry, let’s call them what they are.

 

[Boats]

Detachable magazine" means an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from a firearm without requiring disassembly of the firearm action or without the use of a tool, including a bullet or cartridge.

make your own conclusions

 

[welder516]

I throw mine away .

 

[Kirkster]

No such thing as High capacity....

 

[Cold Steel]

If you're shipping them, I imagine you are selling them...which is a big no-no.

A person may not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer a detachable magazine that has a capacity of more than 10 rounds of ammunition for a firearm.

There is no stipulation at all whether you're selling a high capacity magazine or not, if you're shipping said magazine, you're transferring it. The law should read: "A criminal may not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer a detachable magazine that has a capacity of more than 10 rounds of ammunition for a firearm."


Buying a Beretta or Taurus 92 with only a 10-shot magazine would be
ridiculous for the size and weight of the gun.

Non-criminals are no threat to the people, while criminals are. The law is ridiculously easy to circumvent for criminals and law-abiding citizens alike. But to answer your question, transferring a magazine keeps one from selling many private firearms. For example, you can't even sell a Browning Hi-Power through Gun Broker, a national gun auction website because even if you want to sell a gun to someone in a state where such guns and magazines are perfectly normal, and legal, that niggling word transfer means you can't take the gun and the magazine and convey it to another in Maryland or in any other state, or Mars; neither can you receive it from from another, even if it's your gun and magazine.


A stainless steel S&W 659 also would be problematic
if it didn't have a 15-20-round magazine.

Transfer means convey. Receive means convey. And if you don't like it, the law writers say, pack up your stuff and get the hell out and move to a state like Virginia that...oh, wait, they're in the midst of taking over that state as well, so move out West if you want your Second Amendment rights. But even in Virginia you can have a carry permit (at least for now), and you can order hi-cap magazines.

Maryland is one of the worst backward states in the Union, and the only way you can have a high capacity gun is become a cop or limit yourself to the guns you had before whatever the cut off date they imposed in its asinine laws. (My neighbor found out her lawn service people were Donald Trump supporters (it was on a bumper sticker). She immediately fired them and it took her two weeks to find a replacement service. She's always assumed we're liberal Democrats like her, so she either doesn't know or doesn't care that we're not, so she tells us these stories.)

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[Threeband]

I throw mine away .

Once they're empty ,there's no point in keeping them.

 

[Pinecone]

For example, you can't even sell a Browning Hi-Power through Gun Broker, a national gun auction website because even if you want to sell a gun to someone in a state where such guns and magazines are perfectly normal, and legal, that niggling word transfer means you can't take the gun and the magazine and convey it to another in Maryland or in any other state, or Mars; neither can you receive it from from another, even if it's your gun and magazine.

Easy. Sell it without the mags. Or at least do not mention the mags in the ad.

And you CAN take it out of state and deliver it to an FFL for transfer to a non-MD resident.

You could even take the mags and offer them for sale once you are out of the state.

 

[Bob A]

I don’t know why this standard magazine, high capacity magazine terminology use is an issue. At one time handguns and rifles fed from magazines holding 10 rounds or less. When the Smiths, Glocks, High Power (already around) came around and got popular they were touted as having high capacity magazines. All over the firearm press, among shooters, manufacturers, etc.. Its documented. The term standard capacity is not fooling anyone and by law it looks like any capacity over 10 rounds is considered high capacity. We know the standard capacity of some pistols are high capacity.

If I buy a Para mag and the merchant wants to know what capacity I want, if I state “standard capacity” I get a 10 rounder. Sorry, let’s call them what they are.

Browning standard capacity was 13 rounds, in 1935, as noted.

Just because some hoplophobe in a legislature chooses to make "standard" capacity 7 rounds (NY) ot en rounds, or X rounds, doesn't mean that he sets the actual standard. It just means that he's on the way to gradual elimination of firearms.

Once again, the Left chooses what words shall mean. That's why it's an issue.

 

[Cold Steel]

And you CAN take it out of state and deliver it to an FFL for transfer to a non-MD resident. You could even take the mags and offer them for sale once you are out of the state.

Yeah. I make it a policy not to sell guns, but if I were to sell them (and again, I wouldn't), I would sell it with whatever magazines it came with. It's ridiculous to limit it to ten rounds.

The hi-cap limitation of ten is the easiest law for anyone to circumnavigate. I could buy bunches of them in Virginia if I wanted them, and I suspect many people on this site have hi-cap mags that were purchased after the magic grandfather date (I'm shocked, shocked that there are hi-cap magazine purchases by those in this establishment!).

I said that the law ought to stipulate criminals instead of everyone. Law abiding people won't misuse firearms or magazines, so there's no reason to limit them. But criminals will. So why not aim the laws at them? Of course, they won't bother obeying the law, because they're criminals, so the law is superfluous. If reminds me of the line from A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM: “You can't commit suicide, master. it's against the law! The penalty is death!"