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  • TI-tick

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    The issue is a lot of times cops would get people on minor drug possession charges because they couldn't get them on the charges that they were pretty sure they were guilty of, or in some cases just PLANT drugs on people they "knew" were committing crimes. Heck, I'd bet probably the majority of people who have had crap planted on them are criminals. But that isn't how our justice system should work. People should get charged with the crimes they do commit.

    One of the consequences of decriminalizing possession is that people committing or accused of committing other crimes can't be gigged on minor possession crimes and taken off the streets for that.

    Of course, on the other hand, plenty of other people who are just recreational users and not otherwise criminals are also arrested, charged, and convicted.

    It is part of the reason a lot of police organizations and departments don't want constitutional carry. Because handgun possession charges is a good way to get bad people off the streets who are committing other crimes they can't catch them on.

    Beyond that, that doesn't address the fact that in CA, it is still a crime to operate a motor vehicle under the influence of THC. Which is what I was addressing, was the claim that legalizing weed means people can drive stoned with no consequences. Which is false, all states if you cause an accident while stoned, you can be held accountable. And some states have zero tolerance laws where ANY amount of THC in your system is an automatic DUI, whether you appear impaired or not. Or caused an accident or not.

    Non-zero tolerance states, pretty much the only way someone is getting off driving while under the influence of THC or other drugs is if the defense can show that the defendant did not cause the accident (and would likely not be a defense in any state with a zero-tolerance law).
    One of the consequences of decriminalization is that people who would have had to make a hard choice of rehab or jail, and would have a chance to get out of that cycle, don't have to make that that hard choice. I've heard this from the old Sac Co Sheriff and numerous officers. They were not talking about increasing prison numbers but rather getting someone to change the poor direction of their life. I suppose this "gigging" to turn a junkie's life around is a bad thing?

    So now CA has likely 100K plus feral junkies running free range, stealing, robbing, etc., without consequence making life shitty for the rest.

    That said, CA voted for this stupidity and that says something about democracy vs republic.

    A LEO can pull you over while driving down the road and, if you are drunk, has the tools to gather the evidence to show you F'd up. Those tools are not in place yet for weed. Accordingly, with today's everyone is racist climate, I understand why CA cops are hesitant on stops without the tools. That said I'll wager more than 50% of this board has been behind some jackass or jackasses driving like GTA with a trail of weed smoke behind. Anyone who thinks that this is good is nuts.
     

    TI-tick

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    So I just opened that and closed it. I don’t need to read about some candy ass guys who can’t get an erection around whores they are trying to defile. Save themselves physically and mentally for a wife and then see if they have the same problem. We are on baby #4 and don’t seem to have this problem.
    But per your post above, drugs be good?
    LOL
     

    ADR

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    One of the consequences of decriminalization is that people who would have had to make a hard choice of rehab or jail, and would have a chance to get out of that cycle, don't have to make that that hard choice. I've heard this from the old Sac Co Sheriff and numerous officers. They were not talking about increasing prison numbers but rather getting someone to change the poor direction of their life. I suppose this "gigging" to turn a junkie's life around is a bad thing?

    So now CA has likely 100K plus feral junkies running free range, stealing, robbing, etc., without consequence making life shitty for the rest.

    That said, CA voted for this stupidity and that says something about democracy vs republic.

    A LEO can pull you over while driving down the road and, if you are drunk, has the tools to gather the evidence to show you F'd up. Those tools are not in place yet for weed. Accordingly, with today's everyone is racist climate, I understand why CA cops are hesitant on stops without the tools. That said I'll wager more than 50% of this board has been behind some jackass or jackasses driving like GTA with a trail of weed smoke behind. Anyone who thinks that this is good is nuts.
    That's not entirely true. There are tests, indicators, and observations that can be utilized to establish impairment to be able to legally proceed to the next step. Each state is different but in a state that utilizes blood draws for an example, a qualified/experienced officer can more than reach that level even with THC.
     

    TI-tick

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    That's not entirely true. There are tests, indicators, and observations that can be utilized to establish impairment to be able to legally proceed to the next step. Each state is different but in a state that utilizes blood draws for an example, a qualified/experienced officer can more than reach that level even with THC.
    I’m sorry I don’t follow, I didn’t read the page. What does someone taking viagra for ED and someone drugging or boozing it up have to do with each other?
    Escape from reality via dependency.
     

    ADR

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    Beats the hell out of me how that happened.
    Maybe I was going to reply to you and got distracted.

    What I was going to reply to your post is that for THC there is a lot up in the air and that gives rise to a lot of wiggle room when it comes to defense.

    Peace!
    I'm not talking about any form of mechanical/technological detection. I could teach you to spot impairment indicators in less than an hour. (You wouldn't be good at it but you would grasp the concept enough to be able to pick it up as a layman pretty quick.)
     

    Mark75H

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    I'm not talking about any form of mechanical/technological detection. I could teach you to spot impairment indicators in less than an hour. (You wouldn't be good at it but you would grasp the concept enough to be able to pick it up as a layman pretty quick.)
    How can you tell the difference between THC intoxication and sleep deprivation?
     

    TI-tick

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    I'm not talking about any form of mechanical/technological detection. I could teach you to spot impairment indicators in less than an hour. (You wouldn't be good at it but you would grasp the concept enough to be able to pick it up as a layman pretty quick.)
    Fair enough, and I can point to a gaggle of criminal defense lawyers who could poke holes through all of that to the degree that LEO's say WTF (absent accident).

    That's the point I'm trying to make.

    There are established standards for DUI; THC is not so standardized at this point. For free range weed smoking without standardized testing for DUI; that liability should fall on the state.
     

    ADR

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    How can you tell the difference between THC intoxication and sleep deprivation?
    Lack of convergence, pupil size, eye/body tremors, internal clock, balance, etc, etc...

    It's not one particular or singular thing that you rely on but rather a combination of observations that you need to take into consideration. It's totality of the circumstances and no good officer would rely on one single thing but rather combinations of things. (Some substances share certain indicators)
     

    Norton

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    Enough on the religion arguing. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
     

    ADR

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    Fair enough, and I can point to a gaggle of criminal defense lawyers who could poke holes through all of that to the degree that LEO's say WTF (absent accident).

    That's the point I'm trying to make.

    There are established standards for DUI; THC is not so standardized at this point. For free range weed smoking without standardized testing for DUI; that liability should fall on the state.
    Cool story - defense attorneys try to do that during any criminal defense. Can you "point" to how many times you've actually done these tests as an officer and gone to court?
     

    TI-tick

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    Lack of convergence, pupil size, eye/body tremors, internal clock, balance, etc, etc...

    It's not one particular or singular thing that you rely on but rather a combination of observations that you need to take into consideration. It's totality of the circumstances and no good officer would rely on one single thing but rather combinations of things. (Some substances share certain indicators)
    And all of the above subjective and subject to getting nuked by a competent Defense Attorney.
     

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