Magazine Question?

[jef955]

I would not. MD law bans the purchase, not merely the receipt of such a mag, in Md. If you are in MD when you make the order, you are arguably purchasing in MD. Or so the State's Attorney would argue. And why would you go to all this trouble when you have to go out of state anyhow?

Here's an interesting thought, would MD be basing the "purchase location" on the account billing info, or the assumed physical location of where the order (we'll assume online) is placed from - most likely from a mobile device (phone) ? As a full time public safety communications technician, I can absolutely prove beyond reasonable doubt that cellular/LTE data connection may NOT be where the person thinks it is. So much so that PSAP's need to verify specifically where a 911 call is to be routed too when it hits a specific site. Centers in this area have regularly gotten calls from as far away as New York City ! A little shaky to me. I wouldn't want to be the test case though..

But if anyone will know it's certainly you !!

 

[Melnic]

As long as you..... hold on, there is a knock at the door... BRB

 

[esqappellate]

Here's an interesting thought, would MD be basing the "purchase location" on the account billing info, or the assumed physical location of where the order (we'll assume online) is placed from - most likely from a mobile device (phone) ? As a full time public safety communications technician, I can absolutely prove beyond reasonable doubt that cellular/LTE data connection may NOT be where the person thinks it is. So much so that PSAP's need to verify specifically where a 911 call is to be routed too when it hits a specific site. Centers in this area have regularly gotten calls from as far away as New York City ! A little shaky to me. I wouldn't want to be the test case though..

But if anyone will know it's certainly you !!

matters for the trier of fact. If it gets that far, you are already screwed

 

[Threeband]

Luckily, my IP address was showing Burkina Faso last time I bought mags…

My VPN originally defaulted to Canada. I changed it to the U.S. after I started getting blocked from some perfectly innocuous sites.

Just an indication of how far down the Totalitarian Pit the Great White North has fallen.


(It would be ironic if Burkina Fasso tried to extradite you for firearms violations )

 

[jef955]

matters for the trier of fact. If it gets that far, you are already screwed

I had a feeling you we're gonna say something along those lines.. I think I'll just continue making my purchases on my semi regular PA runs

 

[esqappellate]

I had a feeling you we're gonna say something along those lines.. I think I'll just continue making my purchases on my semi regular PA runs

Sometimes I am very predictable....

 

[Growler215]

Anne Aru


How would they know I was in MD lol. They would have to prove it. Lucky for them, I think most site don't ship to P.O. boxes. But overall, I would just go to out of state Bass Pro.

My experience is that most sites (e.g. GunMagWarehouse, GrabAGun, Aim Surplus, Joe Bob, MidwayUSA, etc.) have no problem shipping mags to a PO Box. A few (e.g. Brownells) do have an issue with an MD Billing Address, though. I have bought some mags that only Brownells sold and had them shipped to PO Box in VA by using a VISA Gift Card.

 

[possumman]

Glad I have a kid or 2 in different sates---makes things easier

 

[babalou]

Yep

I have has sent to people out of state but not PO. Good to know

 

[rbird7282]

My understanding from older threads is that calling in an order or using the web to purchase while doing so within Maryland counted as a violation.

I would agree that MD would see it that way, my opinion would be that technically the sale occurs in the state where your card number is being run.
If you were to call someplace out of state and gave them your cc number over the phone, they would take your number and run it on their machine at their store. I would argue that the sale is occurring in that state. JMHO, IANAL
Of course I have friends in VA and PA so I just give them a list of what I want and have them order it. (or just go to VA or PA and buy them myself)

 

[INMY01TA]

My parents just moved from Md to Delaware. Sucks they now have a 17rnd restriction I think but I’ve ordered a bunch of 10-17rnd mags and picked em up there. Midway and Gunmagwharehouse are good to go.

 

[jrumann59]

IANAL but What is the definition of a purchase, in other words if I am using a legal tender to "buy" something and the equipment used to process that "buy" is in another state the purchase "technically" happened in another state. again IANAL.

If I am on the VA side of the Potomac and pinging off a nearby MD tower am I technically in violation????

 

[ras_oscar]

When the regulation was first passed, and before it went into affect, a family member had ordered a standard capacity magazine and it was in transit. At that time many people were doing the same thing and the lead times were horrendous. I was concerned that the mag delivery *may* be delayed beyond October 1. I emailed the supplier and asked them a hypothetical. They replied that if the shipping address was Maryland OR the credit card billing address was Maryland, and the product remained in transit on or after October 1, they would:

1. Cancel the order and issue instructions to the carrier to return the product.
2. Issue a full refund to the credit card, including shipping.

The product was delivered prior to the deadline so I never suffered the consequences.

On a completely unrelated issue, you can purchase Visa gift cards in any denomination in most any state in the country. Target sells them as does Lowes.

 

[ras_oscar]

I think you need to own them before they cross State lines into Md. And not buy them from within the State.

The law says you cannot receive, purchase or transfer in the state. If you purchase online and have it shipped to MD you receive it in MD in violation of the law. Less clear is where the "purchase" transaction takes place with an online order in 2 states. People with better legal experience than I may choose to chime in.

 

[Mightydog]

Anne Aru


How would they know I was in MD lol. They would have to prove it. Lucky for them, I think most site don't ship to P.O. boxes. But overall, I would just go to out of state Bass Pro.

It’s an interesting thing with your credit card. It’s called “Billing Address”. That shows where the purchaser was.

 

[Mightydog]

The law says you cannot receive, purchase or transfer in the state. If you purchase online and have it shipped to MD you receive it in MD in violation of the law. Less clear is where the "purchase" transaction takes place with an online order in 2 states. People with better legal experience than I may choose to chime in.

Interesting how suddenly all these “newbies” are asking for get around to Marylinistan gun laws. People gonna do what people gonna do.

 

[adit]

It’s an interesting thing with your credit card. It’s called “Billing Address”. That shows where the purchaser was.

No it doesn't. It shows where a bill goes, nothing else.

The only thing I am aware of on the books close to this is "Sales Tax" collection for goods delivered "out of state". The tax is to be paid in the State in which the goods are delivered. That "delivered to" State has jurisdiction over the sale.

IANAL

 

[Allen65]

No it doesn't. It shows where a bill goes, nothing else.

The only thing I am aware of on the books close to this is "Sales Tax" collection for goods delivered "out of state". The tax is to be paid in the State in which the goods are delivered. That "delivered to" State has jurisdiction over the sale.

IANAL

Maryland calls that "Use Tax", not "Sales Tax", if you buy something interstate then bring or have to sent to your home in MD.

See: https://www.marylandtaxes.gov/busin...her in person,use the merchandise in Maryland.

 

[adit]

Maryland calls that "Use Tax", not "Sales Tax", if you buy something interstate then bring or have to sent to your home in MD.

See: https://www.marylandtaxes.gov/business/sales-use/index.php#:~:text=Every time you purchase taxable tangible goods, whether in person,use the merchandise in Maryland.

Pay attn Allen.

Example:
If you buy 10 sheets of drywall from the Cockeysville, MD Home Depot and have it delivered to an address in York,PA, you will pay PA Sales tax. MD gets nothing in the transaction.

This has nothing to do with MD's Use Tax "half" of the Sales and Use Tax code.


If a MD resident decides to report any goods imported (driven/flown/floated/carried/horseback.....) back into MD on a consumer use tax return, that is on them. It's no different at that point than driving to DE to buy an appliance and bringing it back into MD.

 

[Allen65]

Pay attn Allen.

Example:
If you buy 10 sheets of drywall from the Cockeysville, MD Home Depot and have it delivered to an address in York,PA, you will pay PA Sales tax. MD gets nothing in the transaction.

This has nothing to do with MD's Use Tax "half" of the Sales and Use Tax code.


If a MD resident decides to report any goods imported (driven/flown/floated/carried/horseback.....) back into MD on a consumer use tax return, that is on them. It's no different at that point than driving to DE to buy an appliance and bringing it back into MD.

Pay attention to what? MD tax law as written in statite? Just because a law is widely ignored doesn't mean it's not on the books. MD doesn't care whether you paid sales tax to another state, MD still wants money.