Trump visits a gun store in SC

[LAC_MD]

I quoted, and was referring to your assertion that PSA wouldn’t have wanted to be seen publicly selling to a prohibited person.

He is prohibited in MD per #13 on the 77r

 

[Blacksmith101]

He is prohibited in MD per #13 on the 77r

Since neither he nor the gun store are in Maryland 77 R does not apply.

 

[Occam]

Neither is a good option but given Trumps well documented history and disregard of the law he is a never for me.

So, your preference is to allow power to remain in the hands of people who not only demonstrate WILDLY worse judgement with regard to defense/intel-related matters, but who are demonstrably on the take from foreign adversaries to the tune of millions of dollars flowing right into family coffers. People who deliberately and with malice deployed federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies to work on behalf of a rival political candidate to propel a completely fictional narrative about Russian collusion in order to smear someone seeking to keep their candidate (who blatantly lied about her security behavior, destroyed federal records - including classified material - that was under subpoena, and so much more and worse) from losing. Your preference is for a mountain of exactly what it is you're claiming to dislike. Where's the "never" for that? Your contradictory positions are irreconcilable.

I and many others I know swore oaths to protect that information and to hear tapes of him showing any and everyone documents to boast is disgusting

As you know, that literally didn't happen. He rattled a piece of paper while making a rhetorical point. The feds in fact admitted that the documents you're talking about WERE NOT EVEN PRESENT.

… He claims he declassified some but anyone who has ever worked in that arena knows it’s not that simple... there is a process that must be followed

For someone sounding so fastidious about such matters, you are displaying a thorough misunderstanding of Article 2 and its ramifications when it comes to the president's completely unlimited power to declassify - on a whim - anything and everything he wants to, and to retain copies of anything he likes as personal records.

During his administration is the first time EVER the FVEY didn’t want to share intel with us because they believed our POTUS and other high ranking officials were compromised by Russia

Which, as you know, was demonstrated to be purely a fabrication of Hillary Clinton, the DNC, her lawyers, and the people carrying water for her in the media and the management layers of several three-letter agencies. Mueller found no evidence of any compromise, and multiple years-long reviews of the matter from every angle inside and outside of those agencies - even by people hostile to Trump - came to the same conclusion. So, you're mad because foreign intel agencies fell for Hillary Clinton's scam. That misdirection of your anger is something you should step back and analyze before you decide you'd rather have the people handling Joe Biden handle the executive branch for another four years. Because there is straight up treason going on in those circles. Your "never" should be focused there, if you're serious about your oaths.

 

[LAC_MD]

Since neither he nor the gun store are in Maryland 77 R does not apply.

Well ATF form 4473 which I believe I required in SC if you do not have a CCW… 21C says he is prohibited too… as he is under indictment…

 

[Afrikeber]

So in the next election if the choices are:
Trump
Biden
Some unknown third party candidate

You will vote for which one in order to protect your Second Amendment rights?

2A rights are constantly under scrutiny despite either 3 options.

 

[LAC_MD]

So, your preference is to allow power to remain in the hands of people who not only demonstrate WILDLY worse judgement with regard to defense/intel-related matters, but who are demonstrably on the take from foreign adversaries to the tune of millions of dollars flowing right into family coffers. People who deliberately and with malice deployed federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies to work on behalf of a rival political candidate to propel a completely fictional narrative about Russian collusion in order to smear someone seeking to keep their candidate (who blatantly lied about her security behavior, destroyed federal records - including classified material - that was under subpoena, and so much more and worse) from losing. Your preference is for a mountain of exactly what it is you're claiming to dislike. Where's the "never" for that? Your contradictory positions are irreconcilable.

As you know, that literally didn't happen. He rattled a piece of paper while making a rhetorical point. The feds in fact admitted that the documents you're talking about WERE NOT EVEN PRESENT.

For someone sounding so fastidious about such matters, you are displaying a thorough misunderstanding of Article 2 and its ramifications when it comes to the president's completely unlimited power to declassify - on a whim - anything and everything he wants to, and to retain copies of anything he likes as personal records.

Which, as you know, was demonstrated to be purely a fabrication of Hillary Clinton, the DNC, her lawyers, and the people carrying water for her in the media and the management layers of several three-letter agencies. Mueller found no evidence of any compromise, and multiple years-long reviews of the matter from every angle inside and outside of those agencies - even by people hostile to Trump - came to the same conclusion. So, you're mad because foreign intel agencies fell for Hillary Clinton's scam. That misdirection of your anger is something you should step back and analyze before you decide you'd rather have the people handling Joe Biden handle the executive branch for another four years. Because there is straight up treason going on in those circles. Your "never" should be focused there, if you're serious about your oaths.

I truly don’t believe for a second that with the resources the Five Eyes have at their disposal that they would be fooled by any such “scams”… and Mueller DID NOT clear Trump… please read some report highlights here:

Key Findings of the Mueller Report | ACS

www.acslaw.org

‘Let’s be clear there is a big difference between speculation of crimes and someone doing something out in the open…There is no deflection for what I see Trump actually doing in front of us… He claimed he was about law and order and that he was going to drain the swamp etc… seems he believes the laws don’t apply to him… By the way what were the results of the investigation he was going to have the DOJ do into Hillary when he was POTUS?

 

[Afrikeber]

Well ATF form 4473 which I believe I required in SC if you do not have a CCW… 21C says he is prohibited too… as he is under indictment…

Hard heads make soft azzs.

 

[coinboy]

So you don't trust Trump more than you want to protect your and my Second Amendment rights, because not voting for the most pro gun candidate that has a chance to win makes it easier for an anti gun democrat to cheat their way into the White House. Virtue signaling may make someone feel good but it does little to protect our rights. Under our political system the the only thing that works is to Hold your nose and vote for the candidate who most closely matches your political desires (no one will be an exact match) who has a chance to win.

Trump is not pro gun.

Who was it that said they were going to get National Reciprocity during their campaign and didn't do it?

Who banned bump stocks after the Vegas shooting?

Who was also considering banning so-called "Assault Weapons" after some school shootings until Republicans talked him out of it?

Even when he went to PSA he didn't even understand the lingo. He's not a gun guy and isn't on our side. When they asked him if he would fix the issue with the pistol braces, he mostly skirted the issue. Even Majorie Taylor Greene had to explain to him what the issue was.

 

[Worsley]

I just can’t wait for him to be President again.

 

[Worsley]

It was mostly this BS with him saying he won the last election. Also, I didn't like how he held up funds for Ukraine that was already approved too. There was a bunch of this and that that made me not trust him. You have to be a bit of a Narcissist to be a leader, but he's taken it a bit too far for me.

Sounds like you watch a lot of CNN.

 

[Worsley]

it's too bad he is such a divider and flaming ahole. if he just had reagan's or bush's demeanor, and/or let his actions speak for themselves and STFU, he'd be in the White House now.

I don’t think he’s a divider or flaming ahole at all, it is unfortunate that so many brainless sheep bought into the media narrative that he is.

 

[OldBrokenGrunt]

I see more and more people on here doing nothing but throwing shit at former president Trump. Admittedly most are newer members that for the most part don’t know jack or sh!t. But then there is the old TDS members who never pass up a chance to talk sh!t about Trump. It’s like they expect their rhetoric to stop people from voting for him.

I will vote for who will help this country the best. And out of those running that’s Trump. He’s going to win the nomination. We all know that. So your choice is going to be vote Trump, or sit in your house and allow someone like Biden (and whoever controls that POS) to destroy this country even more because you suffer from TDS.

People always complain about how Trump was “so bad” for the US, but it’s usually never tempered by good of the country. Cheap gas, affordable groceries, low inflation, etc… I get that people want to knit pick everything the man did, but I will look at what happened when this government put Biden in charge. Everything Trump did was removed by Biden and the country got worse.

 

[INMY01TA]

Trump is not pro gun.

Who was it that said they were going to get National Reciprocity during their campaign and didn't do it?

Who banned bump stocks after the Vegas shooting?

Who was also considering banning so-called "Assault Weapons" after some school shootings until Republicans talked him out of it?

Even when he went to PSA he didn't even understand the lingo. He's not a gun guy and isn't on our side. When they asked him if he would fix the issue with the pistol braces, he mostly skirted the issue. Even Majorie Taylor Greene had to explain to him what the issue was.

Trump made shall issue the law of the land and reversed Roe v Wade, something every other Republican has blown smoke about for decades.

 

[MigraineMan]

Neither is a good option but given Trumps well documented history and disregard of the law he is a never for me. Beyond everything else he did his blatant disregard for classified information hurts me to the core. I and many others I know swore oaths to protect that information and to hear tapes of him showing any and everyone documents to boast is disgusting… He claims he declassified some but anyone who has ever worked in that arena knows it’s not that simple... there is a process that must be followed….During his administration is the first time EVER the FVEY didn’t want to share intel with us because they believed our POTUS and other high ranking officials were compromised by Russia…

Executive Order 13526 establishes the *entire* classified security apparatus in the United States. Who, pray tell, created said Executive Order? Hmmm, that'd be POTUS. And because POTUS is authorized to do teh POTUS thingz by the Constitution, yes, he (or she) may alter classification status of *anything* on a whim ... verbally, or by action. And it's effective immediately. The "process" you're referring to is for us little people. Hell, Senators and Representatives (and the Veep) who are otherwise un-clearable get a pass on access because they're Constitutionally recognized representatives of the People, and the Executive can't obstruct the Legislative via policy that interferes with their duties. But they don't have the authority to mishandle the classified documents (lookin' at you Mrs. Clinton and then-Senator/Veep Biden.) As for POTUS, by definition he can't "mishandle" classified documents. You might not like what he does, but it's within his authority to do so.

 

[Occam]

I truly don’t believe for a second that with the resources the Five Eyes have at their disposal that they would be fooled by any such “scams”…

Except … that‘s exactly what happened. The entire Steele Dossier business has been shown by everyone from Durham to the IC’s own internal inspector to have been 100% fabrication. Circulated BY people at FBI/DoJ to cooperative journalists who were then cited by the same DoJ as proof of the story. \

and Mueller DID NOT clear Trump

Let’s stick with what matters: Mueller‘s 100% partisan team of attack lawyers were forced to admit that not a single thing on their laundry list of “concerns” actually rose to the level of an indictable crime or showed any actual evidence of such. They left it to “others” to approach the matter from a strictly political angle (impeachment) if anyone else thought they could come up with something. Mueller’s report DOES say, in plain language confirmed by him in sworn follow up testimony, that his multi-million dollar years long investigation showed that not a single American was working with the Russians on the matters in question. You must have missed that part.

there is a big difference between speculation of crimes and someone doing something out in the open

Indeed! Which is why the Biden family’s OUT IN THE OPEN corruption and foreign influence sales for millions of dollars should be troubling you to the point where you‘d vote for anybody that would displace the party that is propping that puppet up despite knowing he’s raked in piles of cash selling access.

By the way what were the results of the investigation he was going to have the DOJ do into Hillary when he was POTUS?

It demonstrated in plain language with piles of evidence and witnesses that she colluded with foreign actors and corrupt officials at multiple federal agencies to attempt to influence an election and to then smear the person who beat her with a fabricated story about Russian collusion. You shouldn‘t have slept through those reports, it might have given you a lot more clarity on this.

 

[LAC_MD]

Executive Order 13526 establishes the *entire* classified security apparatus in the United States. Who, pray tell, created said Executive Order? Hmmm, that'd be POTUS. And because POTUS is authorized to do teh POTUS thingz by the Constitution, yes, he (or she) may alter classification status of *anything* on a whim ... verbally, or by action. And it's effective immediately. The "process" you're referring to is for us little people. Hell, Senators and Representatives (and the Veep) who are otherwise un-clearable get a pass on access because they're Constitutionally recognized representatives of the People, and the Executive can't obstruct the Legislative via policy that interferes with their duties. But they don't have the authority to mishandle the classified documents (lookin' at you Mrs. Clinton and then-Senator/Veep Biden.) As for POTUS, by definition he can't "mishandle" classified documents. You might not like what he does, but it's within his authority to do so.

you are mistaken POTUS does not have unilateral authority to declassify all documents. There are levels of classified docs POTUS can do some but that depends on the level. How about you ask the DOJ if POTUS has that power…

 

[Occam]

you are mistaken POTUS does not have unilateral authority to declassify all documents. There are levels of classified docs POTUS can do some but that depends on the level. How about you ask the DOJ if POTUS has that power…

That notion has been thoroughly examined and put to bed. The entire apparatus of the executive branch’s classification system exists to serve the purposes and choices made by the chief executive. Bone up on Article 2. Supreme authority in that area is granted to that person when the states elect him or her to that office. Don’t like it? Amend Article 2, that’s what the amendment process is there for.

 

[LAC_MD]

Except … that‘s exactly what happened. The entire Steele Dossier business has been shown by everyone from Durham to the IC’s own internal inspector to have been 100% fabrication. Circulated BY people at FBI/DoJ to cooperative journalists who were then cited by the same DoJ as proof of the story. \

Let’s stick with what matters: Mueller‘s 100% partisan team of attack lawyers were forced to admit that not a single thing on their laundry list of “concerns” actually rose to the level of an indictable crime or showed any actual evidence of such. They left it to “others” to approach the matter from a strictly political angle (impeachment) if anyone else thought they could come up with something. Mueller’s report DOES say, in plain language confirmed by him in sworn follow up testimony, that his multi-million dollar years long investigation showed that not a single American was working with the Russians on the matters in question. You must have missed that part.

Indeed! Which is why the Biden family’s OUT IN THE OPEN corruption and foreign influence sales for millions of dollars should be troubling you to the point where you‘d vote for anybody that would displace the party that is propping that puppet up despite knowing he’s raked in piles of cash selling access.

It demonstrated in plain language with piles of evidence and witnesses that she colluded with foreign actors and corrupt officials at multiple federal agencies to attempt to influence an election and to then smear the person who beat her with a fabricated story about Russian collusion. You shouldn‘t have slept through those reports, it might have given you a lot more clarity on this.

1.please show me any actual info that shows he five eyes concern was based off that dossier.
2.What his report said was explicitly Russia interfered in the election on several fronts to help Trump. So you tell me why would a adversary spend millions to get him elected if it was not beneficial to them? The same adversary who Trump said was our “friend”
3. Biden family or do you mean possibility his son? What did Joe Biden do? Amazing that Trumps son in law got billions from a foreign country and you quickly exonerate Trump, but if Hunter gets anything it has to be Joe Biden is complicit..
4.This investigation?

State Dept. finds no ‘systemic’ classified violation in Hillary Clinton private-server emails

The three-year-long investigation concluded that 38 individuals committed a total of 91 security violations.

www.politico.com

As I said I don’t like either one, but Trump is a non starter because he makes a normal con-man look like a saint…

 

[MigraineMan]

you are mistaken POTUS does not have unilateral authority to declassify all documents.

There are levels of classified docs POTUS can do some but that depends on the level. How about you ask the DOJ if POTUS has that power…

POTUS is *the* Original Classification Authority - OCA. ALL other classification authority is derivative from his (which is derived from his Constitutional mandate.) In EO 12958 (amended by EO 13292) the President delegates OCA authority to:
a) himself (redundantly)
B) the Veep
3) Certain agency heads
$) Other government officials

There is no classification level that isn't derived from Presidential author-ih-tay, and consequently, there's nothing that would be outside of Presidential perview. Also consequently, the President could unilaterally wipe-out the entire classification structure with a stroke of his pen, or with a snap of his fingers. And it would be effective immediately.

At the beginning of Mr. Biden's term, you no doubt watched him sign a pile of EOs that negated the vast majority of President Trump's EOs. Effecitve immediately. Biden could have done that verbally, too, and it would have been exactly the same albeit without the pomp and circumstance.

 

[LAC_MD]

That notion has been thoroughly examined and put to bed. The entire apparatus of the executive branch’s classification system exists to serve the purposes and choices made by the chief executive. Bone up on Article 2. Supreme authority in that area is granted to that person when the states elect him or her to that office. Don’t like it? Amend Article 2, that’s what the amendment process is there for.

Even if we accept your argument. What do you say about him saying on tape he had classified documents well after he was out of office?