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Old March 24th, 2021, 11:54 PM #51
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The more I think about it, they simply rewrote Peruta and changed concealed weapons to simply any weapon. Now that they proclaimed that I would file a lawsuit against every police dept because they obviously terrorize the public by the presence of their handguns.

I went back and looked at Peruta. It is a little hard to follow, but it appears that the Court imposed this argument without the defendants really raising the issue.
So, you're saying the court itself stacked the deck against the plantiffs?
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So, you're saying the court itself stacked the deck against the plantiffs?
Sort of. I think the Peruta/Richards team did a disservice by not putting the historical concealed carry precedent into perspective given that it is explicitly mentioned in Heller. I don't believe they really challenged the precedent after the Court ambushed them either. I think Young did a mediocre job of responding to a newly introduced argument. I think the Court took advantage of the weaknesses to write a very lopsided opinion.
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My simple thoughts go something like this.

The COTUS is the contract that gives the Govt any power at all. If the govt violates the COTUS, it terminates the contract, ends it own legitimate existence, and no one is morally obligated to obey it ever again.



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We are already there....
Not really.

Arguably, we have opposing view points. What has be lost is for each party to respect the view of the other.

We are not at the point where both parties see each other as enemies. We are approaching the point quickly, if society can't respect each other's opinions.
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Here is pdf for this https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datasto...4/12-17808.pdf
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Sounds fine in theory. In practice, the GOV can just keep escalating force until they ultimately prevail. Have anything in your safe that works against an A-10 or Apache?
You don't need to take out the A-10s and Apaches... or aircraft carriers for that matter. You need to take out the the incredibly fragile individuals that make up the command chain that puts those machines into action. Not advocating, just saying.
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Not really.

Arguably, we have opposing view points. What has be lost is for each party to respect the view of the other.

We are not at the point where both parties see each other as enemies. We are approaching the point quickly, if society can't respect each other's opinions.
We are absolutely at the point where both parties see each other as enemies and neither respects the other's opinions.
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Old March 25th, 2021, 10:31 AM #58
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Not really.

Arguably, we have opposing view points. What has be lost is for each party to respect the view of the other.

We are not at the point where both parties see each other as enemies. We are approaching the point quickly, if society can't respect each other's opinions.
We absolutely are.

Recent polling shows democrats chief concern was people whom voted for Trump.

Not a policy or proposal or idea.

No their chief concern was the PEOPLE who voted for Trump.
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Wow, I'm not sure if a single one of those "issues" makes my list at all. Definitely not in the top 10 or even 20. Yet I still refuse to believe I'm the one that lives in my own little bizarro world.
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