Eagle Arms Shows ban 80% receiver sales

teratos said:

Well, your mom was already using the one I wanted....

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Nickberg500 said:

Watch this!! Update!!

https://youtu.be/giR12-AJQ0k

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lazarus said:

Some of your examples though legislators did step in to limit or control things. Or regulatory bodies.

Hot tubs can't be set over a certain temperature because of scald risks. They generally have timers too. A user has to almost be intentionally circumventing things to put themselves at risk (improper installation or doing things like intentionally resetting the temp high).

Home improvement stores by law and regulation do certain things.

You might not notice, but anything in an aerosol dispenser that uses hydrocarbons for pressurization you need to be 18+. A lot of other things you need to be 18+ to purchase. Stores are required to keep records of certain items sold or above a certain quantity.

For the instances of those vehicle accidents, were the vehicles purchased new? Because dealers are generally required to check that you have a valid license and insurance before you can take possession of the vehicle/complete the sale (yes, there can be some limited circumstances outside of having insurance and a license where you can legally purchase a vehicle).

The vehicle has to be registered and you have to have certain requirements to continue that registration.

All of this to reduce the chances that you are a dangerous driver.

If you want to build your own road going vehicle to avoid all that kind of stuff, well you need to have it inspected to be registered and the DMV is likely only going to allow a licensed drive to register the vehicle (okay, I don't actually know 100% for sure that is the case on the later, but they will make you do a safety inspection and register it with the state before you may drive it on public roads).

Guns have the restrictions of...in some instances you need a background check to buy one. Handguns you need a limited training class and slightly more in depth background check.

I am not arguing for more gun restrictions. However, bringing up things like driving, it is heavily restricted with a large number of requirements, hoops and expenses to jump through to do it LEGALLY. Along with a number of requirements to limit who can attempt to do it illegally by restricting the ability to acquire a vehicle or operate the acquired vehicle.

Yes, lots and lots of people still get around those hoops. Often times with bad consequences. Sometimes they tweak the hoops to try to make it more difficult.

Ahh, but because there are a large number of people who are going to drive an unsafe vehicle, without a license or insurance and end up causing an accident even with all of the restrictions in place to try to stop that. Well that proves the system doesn't improve road safety at all and doesn't reduce how many people operate unsafe vehicles, or drive unlicensed, or without insurance. So we need to remove those restrictions, because it hinders those who do abide by all of the restrictions and would be safe anyway without needing to follow them. Because they'd voluntarily hold insurance, and ensure they are competent drivers before driving, etc.

It is really easy to spin the argument that way.

I hope it isn't the case, but I think it is only a matter of time before there is state or national law restricting 80% and/or home built firearms. The genie is out of the bottle and it will not STOP it, but my biggest fear is heavily repressive laws or outright bans that effectively end the ability for people who care about them, to own or build them. The impact on criminals is likely to be relatively minor, as the more creative ones are just going to innovate around it. Yeah, your typical inner city youth bent on a liquor store stickup or turf battle isn't getting an 80% and finishing it.

But a guy selling them a gun might be, because is WAY less traceable to them. Those guys are smart enough that if they can't easily get 80%, they'll just get a 3D printer or two. Deal in stolen firearms? Or make them and sell them? What has a higher risk of getting caught?

More and more guys seem to be realizing that just making guns from 80s has a lower risk than dealing in stolen firearms and a whole lot less risk of buying them legitimately, but then re-selling them to the criminal element.

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Magnumite said:

^^. Bimbo

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Ponder_MD said:

Eagle Arms really thinks that average street criminals have the patience and skill to finish milling a lower receiver when they can more easily steal a complete firearm?

I recently visited a forum member who showed me the process. While cool and fascinating, the first thing that popped into my head is that the average Baltimore squeegee kid is not milling receivers. Not even P80 handgun receivers, because there are so many stolen guns on the market.

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outrider58 said:

Lol

The soft bigotry of low expectations on display.

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Trigger Tuner said:

At some point we are going to have to admit that it is a problem with prohibited people buying and using these guns on the street. I really can't blame the guy for not wanting to be part of criminals getting these things.

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TheBert said:

Facts not in evidence. How many criminals are buying and building firearms from 80% lowers?

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Ponder_MD said:

That's interesting.

May I ask how you serialized them? Where did you obtain a serial number? How did you affix it to the rifle/receiver? Did you record the serial number with any organization or just your own private records?

Thanks.

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Magnumite said:

I must be naive as blazes. If you bought firearms through an ffl, if you are still buying them through ffl (now all purchases are to be done that way in Maryland and feds got it through the House Pelosiland)), you are “on the books”. You are labeled a gun owner and if things get that bad they will tear your premises apart looking for anything they can find.

We all want unpapered ‘stuff’ because big brother is becoming so contemptible. But face it, if things get that bad, we’ll be picking those ‘things’ up.

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mranaya said:

I started writing the exact same thing. Glad I looked a little farther and stopped myself from making a clone post.

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Trigger Tuner said:

If you read the OP's story, according to the Philadelphia Police they confiscated 90 in 2019, 270 in 2020 and 80 so far this year.

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babalou said:

owning guns versus driving. Right versus privilege

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Bertfish said:

But but but the 4473 process isn't registration

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Nickberg500 said:

It's just a flip of a switch away. The newer forms require make and model etc. ATF has been either building a database, or fighting for a database of the scanned 4473's, arguing that it's not a registry if it's not searchable.

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