Who needs physically fit cops?

swinokur · Jul 30, 2014

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...154f80-17ad-11e4-88f7-96ed767bb747_story.html

Skins_Brew · Jul 30, 2014

I want to see the criteria for the test.

With that said, I have seen the PT test requirements for various agencies and departments. They are pretty freaking easy. Even the initial test for MSP looks like a basic walk in the park.

Personally, I think police, FF, and the mil should all be doing job related physical tests on a routine basis. My experiences have shown me that even though you pass a PT test, and might be in OK shape, that does not mean you have the strength to perform in your job when it matters the most. Case in point is a 100 lb female. Ok, she can crank out 20 some pushups in 2 minutes but is unable to carry .50 cal ammo cans 50 yards.

If shit hits the fan, I hope she has some adrenaline to pick up the slack and carry those cans. Why that situation is not a test baffles the hell out me.

Edit: Good on them for telling Holder to suck it.

eruby · Jul 30, 2014

Overheard at the PA State Police Training Academy:

"I will PT you all until you fu&%ing die. I'll PT you until your azzholes are sucking buttermilk."

swinokur · Jul 30, 2014

Video here

Eviljagtech · Jul 30, 2014

Not sure the DOJ is mad about, the test is for everyone and the standards aren't different. So are they saying that its the same if a weak little man fails its still bad?

Name Taken · Jul 30, 2014

..."Noonan said the standards for incoming recruits are modest, including a 300 meter run in 1 minute and 17 seconds, 13 pushups, a 14-inch vertical leap and running for 1.5 miles in 17 minutes and 48 seconds."

Most departments in MD have different entry requirements for males and females which IMHO is a shame.

Everyone should have to pass the same physical requirement as they will be expected to do the same physical job.

swinokur · Jul 30, 2014

Dispatchers will be ordered to determine the gender, height, and weight of suspects in advance and assign the appropriately gendered LEO to the call.

easy.

Boondock Saint · Jul 30, 2014

Name Taken said:
..."Noonan said the standards for incoming recruits are modest, including a 300 meter run in 1 minute and 17 seconds, 13 pushups, a 14-inch vertical leap and running for 1.5 miles in 17 minutes and 48 seconds."

Most departments in MD have different entry requirements for males and females which IMHO is a shame.

Everyone should have to pass the same physical requirement as they will be expected to do the same physical job.

Three cheers for common sense. :thumbsup:

eruby · Jul 30, 2014

Name Taken said:
..."Noonan said the standards for incoming recruits are modest, including a 300 meter run in 1 minute and 17 seconds, 13 pushups, a 14-inch vertical leap and running for 1.5 miles in 17 minutes and 48 seconds."

Most departments in MD have different entry requirements for males and females which IMHO is a shame.

Everyone should have to pass the same physical requirement as they will be expected to do the same physical job.

Name Taken · Jul 30, 2014

swinokur said:
Dispatchers will be ordered to determine the gender, height, and weight of suspects in advance and assign the appropriately gendered LEO to the call.

easy.

Don't put that past the liberal departments in this country.

But then the males will want to get paid more for handling most of the work and the more dangerous calls and the females will sue for not getting paid the same.

With that said there are a lot of unfit males in LE as well.

traveller · Jul 30, 2014

Name Taken said:
Everyone should have to pass the same physical requirement as they will be expected to do the same physical job.

And they should have to pass the test every year again to continue their employment, right ? No waivers, no 'participatory standard', pass the physical fitness test or go home without pay. You are all expected to do the same physical job, right ?

Name Taken · Jul 30, 2014

traveller said:
And they should have to pass the test every year again to continue their employment, right ? No waivers, no 'participatory standard', pass the physical fitness test or go home without pay. You are all expected to do the same physical job, right ?

Can't say I disagree with that.

The down side is once it becomes a condition of employment we will be paying the officers a few hours a week to work out and condition. In some states they already do this but in MD they typically don't.

swinokur · Jul 30, 2014

I was simply pointing out the absurdity of different standards for males and females.

But I guess a hair brained scheme like I outlined could happen in liberal land where I live.

Skins_Brew · Jul 30, 2014

Name Taken said:
Can't say I disagree with that.

The down side is once it becomes a condition of employment we will be paying the officers a few hours a week to work out and condition. In some states they already do this but in MD they typically don't.

Even if you give them a few hours a week, it wont solve the problem.

FFs have plenty of time to work out and there are plenty of fat ones. Know what the number one cause of FF line of duty deaths is? Heart attack.

The military MAKES you workout 3 times a week and there are still fat people in the military. The extra fat in the mil gets trimmed though (pun fully intended).

Maybe put fat cops on bike patrol? ALthough, I saw a massive cop on a bike in DC the other week. Maybe he requested it to make some changes in his life. Kudos to him.

aray · Jul 30, 2014

Gender normalization. It's way more common than you think, past even LEO.

bowoah · Jul 30, 2014

I have a 250lb friend shaped similar to a meatball....and a PG officer couldnt run him down. Random childhood memory....but yea they should be more fit in especially PG

swinokur · Jul 30, 2014

Tortoise chasing another tortoise?

rbird7282 · Jul 30, 2014

None of the DOJ's business

tkd4life · Jul 30, 2014

Does anyone else love the irony of how our federal government is suing Pennsylvania for discriminating because it has the same standards for everyone. By definition, the federal government is suing for discrimination because the state is not discriminating amongst its recruits.

Only in America. I’ve got to chalk this one up as just another reason we deserve to fail as a nation.

OrangeAgent27 · Jul 30, 2014

bowoah said:
I have a 250lb friend shaped similar to a meatball....and a PG officer couldnt run him down. Random childhood memory....but yea they should be more fit in especially PG

Couldn't run him down or couldn't keep up with him. I'm fairly fit and can outrun most. Personally I'd rather chase someone until they're too tired to fight than immediately tackle them and bring them to the ground.

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