Any one CC with empty chamber?

[Worsley]

If you do not practice with your pistol but still carry, then I recommend not having one in the chamber. You’ll likely shoot yourself, or your loved ones if you do.

 

[Bullfrog]

Lol well guess I didn't skim carefully enough whoops

No big deal, still a good observation. My comment about it was buried in a long, wordy post.

In addition to all of the comments about time, you have to consider that you may be warding off an attacker with one hand while drawing with the other. How will you chamber a round?

And I’ll add, just imagine you need your firearm, and your other arm is tied up doing something else necessary, like fighting off your attacker, or moving your wife or kid out of harm’s way.

 

[Bullfrog]

If you do not practice with your pistol but still carry, then I recommend not having one in the chamber. You’ll likely shoot yourself, or your loved ones if you do.

Flashbacks to a bad experience with an official Red Ryder carbine action two-hundred shot range model air rifle?

Or maybe something sharper...

 

[Objee]

Massad Ayoob knows a little about this.

 

[whistlersmother]

Don't do it. Even with muscle memory, no time to rack a slide.

Not to mention if the cartridge fails to feed...

 

[Art3]

If you do not practice with your pistol but still carry, then I recommend not having one in the chamber. You’ll likely shoot yourself, or your loved ones if you do.

I thought you were supposed to practice MORE if you were going to carry half unloaded

 

[welder516]

The stress level while under duress is high making an extra move almost impossible.

IMHO.

 

[Art3]

Not again...

I heard it was the only legal way to carry a magazine with a capacity greater than ten...

 

[TheOriginalMexicanBob]

The only reason to carry with an empty chamber is because you’re gonna allow an assailant to snatch your gun and give you time to unholster your backup piece while he fiddles around trying to shoot you.

 

[Worsley]

I thought you were supposed to practice MORE if you were going to carry half unloaded

Still, there are those who don’t practice, ever. They’re a danger to everyone.

 

[smokey]

"I drive without a seatbelt on, but I'll just click it on real quick if I'm going to get in a crash"

This is a pretty good mental exercise that helps point out why carrying with an empty chamber is foolish. In general, violent criminals are ambush predators that choose when to attack and whom to attack. Unless they completely suck at being a violent criminal, their attack will leave the victim very little time to mount a counter offensive.

Aside from time, racking in a round is one of the more likely times someone may induce a malfunction in their gun. Instead of simply drawing and firing, you may find yourself clearing a malfunction while fighting for your life.

It's dumb, don't do it. If you don't feel comfortable carrying with a gun that is ready to be used for defense, get more training.

 

[E.Shell]

The only reason to carry with an empty chamber is because you’re gonna allow an assailant to snatch your gun and give you time to unholster your backup piece while he fiddles around trying to shoot you.

I suggested this in the 'open vs concealed' thread and no one really approved.

 

[rbird7282]

Never. It's a horrible idea.

 

[Streetgang]

In the US military carrying with an empty chamber is traditional...

Not in the part of the military I was in. We carried in condition 1 ALL the time once we headed out for a mission.

With proper training there's no reason not to carry with a loaded chamber.

Agreed. Israel carries with an empty pipe for a civil safety reason. I personally don't see a good reason for it if you are properly trained but that's their way. One should be able to engage as soon as the weapon is clear of the holster and rotated downrange.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Every refence I see aboutthe "Israeli method" begins with racking a round at presentation. Seems to add about a second to battery.
They know a little about guns.
What are the pros and cons?
Your practice?

The Israelis know a lot about war and fighting, tactics , strategy , and Applied Resolution On this particular detail , not so much , and partially in reaction to conditions at a particular moment of history .

In imeadate post WWII Era, Israel had a Mish mash of handguns , anything they could scrounge from anywhere in the world , with a wide variety of operating systems. They had a populace of highly varied prior military or sport shooting backgrounds if any . They needed to get large numbers up to speed quickly , what with being surrounded by millions who wanted only to kill every Israeli man , woman, and child .

The " Israeli Style " was developed within those parameters. It was lowest common denominator for minimally trained people to be handed any random semiauto pistol , and not shoot themselves in the foot .

The cynical spin is ; If the first Israeli to encounter a terrorist is killed while trying to load their pistol , it's not that big a deal , because the noise and commotion will alert the next 3 or 4 closest Israelis with guns , and they'll have time to load their guns to start shooting back .

 

[John from MD]

Every refence I see aboutthe "Israeli method" begins with racking a round at presentation. Seems to add about a second to battery.
They know a little about guns.
What are the pros and cons?
Your practice?

Please look up the suicide help line and talk to the people before you do this. Carrying with an empty chamber will get you killed!

 

[Streetgang]

The Israelis know a lot about war and fighting, tactics , strategy , and Applied Resolution On this particular detail , not so much , and partially in reaction to conditions at a particular moment of history .

In imeadate post WWII Era, Israel had a Mish mash of handguns , anything they could scrounge from anywhere in the world , with a wide variety of operating systems. They had a populace of highly varied prior military or sport shooting backgrounds if any . They needed to get large numbers up to speed quickly , what with being surrounded by millions who wanted only to kill every Israeli man , woman, and child .

The " Israeli Style " was developed within those parameters. It was lowest common denominator for minimally trained people to be handed any random semiauto pistol , and not shoot themselves in the foot .

The cynical spin is ; If the first Israeli to encounter a terrorist is killed while trying to load their pistol , it's not that big a deal , because the noise and commotion will alert the next 3 or 4 closest Israelis with guns , and they'll have time to load their guns to start shooting back .

Exactly.

 

[Biggfoot44]

A second to rack could seem like an awfully long time when you see a gun or any weapon being pulled on you .. In a scenario when seconds count I don't want to waste one !

In an armed confrontation, a second or 2 is long enough to change a tire.

 

[emerald]

In an armed confrontation, a second or 2 is long enough to change a tire.

Another F1 fan?

 

[Darkemp]

Chambered and Kydex holster with trigger guard well enclosed.