AR-15 HBAR or no?

[huesmann]

I understand that AR-15s bought or built after 10/2013 basically need to be HBAR. However, if a person has a pre-2013 AR-15, is it basically grandfathered—or must any new upper put on the lower be HBAR?

 

[DutchV]

You can use whatever barrel profile you like on an older (ie MD pre-ban) lower.

 

[smokey]

For 5.56, yes. For something like 300blk or a pistol HBAR doesn't matter. So build whatever you want on a pre-2013 lower, or build whatever you want in something other than 5.56 on a post 2013 lower.

 

[huesmann]

Is there even such a thing as HBAR for non-5.56 and pistol barrels?

 

[mac1_131]

Is there even such a thing as HBAR for non-5.56 and pistol barrels?

Not really. I'm am sure there are some heavily profile barrels out there, but HBAR as a legal category is purely a maryland contrivance.

 

[rbird7282]

For a pre 10/1/13 lower you can put whatever upper/barrel profile you want.


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[RRomig]

Just so we’re clear. Anyone who owned the lower before 10/13 can go without HBAR. If it changes hands it’s just like a brand new lower.

 

[Bountied]

Just so we’re clear. Anyone who owned the lower before 10/13 can go without HBAR. If it changes hands it’s just like a brand new lower.

So if I shoot it lefty I'm breaking the law. Oh man!

 

[RRomig]

So if I shoot it lefty I'm breaking the law. Oh man!

Anyone standing on the wrong side of the gun gets what’s coming lol

 

[Parry]

Is it based off of a pre-2013 "design" or does the lower have to have been manufactured pre-2013?

If it is the former, can we buy (today) pre-2013 designed lowers so that we have the freedom to put non-HBAR uppers on it?

Just wondering... Thanks.

 

[Ammo Jon]

Is it based off of a pre-2013 "design" or does the lower have to have been manufactured pre-2013?

If it is the former, can we buy (today) pre-2013 designed lowers so that we have the freedom to put non-HBAR uppers on it?

Just wondering... Thanks.

Pre 2013 manufacturer.

 

[Parry]

Pre 2013 manufacturer.

Thanks, Jon.

 

[Bullfrog]

Is it based off of a pre-2013 "design" or does the lower have to have been manufactured pre-2013?

If it is the former, can we buy (today) pre-2013 designed lowers so that we have the freedom to put non-HBAR uppers on it?

Just wondering... Thanks.

No.

YOU had to have owned it prior to October 2013.


Like RRomig said earlier:

Just so we’re clear. Anyone who owned the lower before 10/13 can go without HBAR. If it changes hands it’s just like a brand new lower.

 

[Magnumite]

Personal take…I find the balance more important than actual profile (weight) on a 16” carbine. The extra weight of the HBAR carbine barrel is close to the front of the receiver allowing it to feel similar to a Gov’t profile barrel.

I realize a light gun will transition quicker than a heavier one bit for most uses, even three/multi gun for most shooters more is on the shooter than a lighter barrel.

 

[mvee]

Is it based off of a pre-2013 "design" or does the lower have to have been manufactured pre-2013?

If it is the former, can we buy (today) pre-2013 designed lowers so that we have the freedom to put non-HBAR uppers on it?

Just wondering... Thanks.

You need to have owned it pre-2013. It needs to be made before the date in 2013 and you need to have owned before that date. There is no real difference in the design. I could not tell them apart by looking at them.

 

[whistlersmother]

Is it based off of a pre-2013 "design" or does the lower have to have been manufactured pre-2013?

If it is the former, can we buy (today) pre-2013 designed lowers so that we have the freedom to put non-HBAR uppers on it?

Just wondering... Thanks.

No. The lower must have been owned by you before Oct 1, 2013.

Lowers purchased or made after that must be HBAR marked or advertised.

Edit: wow. In the time to type that, lots of replies

 

[Melnic]

Don't forget, there are some stipulations to the "Pre oct 2013 lower)

For example as I understand it, if you purchased in MD an AR15 Lower as part of an HBAR AR-15 say in 2012 (IE, you purchasd the entire rifle as an HBAR AR15), the Rifle was a long gun, it has to stay HBAR if you want to make it 223, you can't just put a pencil barrel on it cause it was not purchased as a regulated Lower/Rifle , nor an "other". So, be careful making any blanket statements.

How you purchased it, makes a difference. Many people asked the question if they could take a lower from a pre oct 1 2013 HBAR and put a pencil on top, NOpe, can't

IANAL

 

[CruncherBlock]

Is there a logical flaw in the law? As one can still purchase all the parts individually, what if you have both types of complete uppers but they are disassembled from the lower? Is that still compliant? I would guess disassembled = compliant.

 

[mvee]

Don't forget, there are some stipulations to the "Pre oct 2013 lower)

For example as I understand it , if you purchased in MD an AR15 Lower as part of an HBAR AR-15 say in 2012 (IE, you purchasd the entire rifle as an HBAR AR15), the Rifle was a long gun, it has to stay HBAR if you want to make it 223, you can't just put a pencil barrel on it cause it was not purchased as a regulated Lower/Rifle , nor an "other". So, be careful making any blanket statements.

How you purchased it, makes a difference. Many people asked the question if they could take a lower from a pre oct 1 2013 HBAR and put a pencil on top, NOpe, can't

IANAL

I actually remember this the other way. I believe PRE 2013 it was eventually decided that it was legal to put a light weight upper on an Hbar lower as long as the person was allowed to possess it(over 21, not prohibited).
I’ll try to find some documentation. I think there is a letter.



I found this. Check out from post 30 on up. https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?141493&p=2926961#post2926961


I think the way the law was written, anything should’ve been in banned configuration by the time it took effect in 2013. Before this went into effect, the HBar exception was for transfer. There was no prohibition on creating a regulated gun back then. This has not applied since 2013.

The MDSP said that any pre 2013 lower could be built in any configuration.

 

[slsc98]

Just so we’re clear. Anyone who owned the lower before 10/13 can go without HBAR. If it changes hands it’s just like a brand new lower.

Okay, ^this^ helps make my head swirl a bit less as this thread reminds me that, sooner or later, I am likely going to have to figure out ALL the in’s and out’s of transferring two pre-13 HBARs (I purchased back when still in Md-stan) to two grandchildren who I am coming to acceptance may never get out. (Well, at least one; the second is not-as-easily manipulated, has a pretty fierce streak of independence and an intellect to match …)

Of course, the earliest either will be 21yoa is 5- and 9- years respectively so, no telling what a cesspool of defection and distraction MD legislators will have concocted by then …