army 1860 Umberti or Pietta

[ken792]

Looks like I'll be heading to Clark Brothers since I can't shoot these inside at any of the ranges here. I really hope they have more caps, I only got 100.

There were plenty of caps at the Nation's show, so hopefully that is a sign that caps are back.

 

[BlackBart]

Neither. Its not a firearm. No different than buying a box of cereal.

True UNTIL it's loaded WITH A CAP on it, at that time it is considered a firearm...... for transporting purposes.

 

[ras_oscar]

Silly question from someone that has never shot black powder before; in a revolver, What keeps the powder from running out the nipple? The videos I've seen installed the cap last, which seems the safe thing to do.

 

[ras_oscar]

I've recently seen another manufacturer at bass pro: Traditions. Never heard of them so I'll assume the recommendation is still Unberti. True?

 

[Melnic]

Silly question from someone that has never shot black powder before; in a revolver, What keeps the powder from running out the nipple? The videos I've seen installed the cap last, which seems the safe thing to do.

Size of hole in bottom I nipple which is like size of pin tip and the powder grains are pretty much larger

 

[ken792]

I've recently seen another manufacturer at bass pro: Traditions. Never heard of them so I'll assume the recommendation is still Unberti. True?

Look closely, those are overpriced Piettas.

 

[BlackBart]

I've recently seen another manufacturer at bass pro: Traditions. Never heard of them so I'll assume the recommendation is still Unberti. True?

Owned a Traditions BP rifle.... JUNK! It literally fell apart while hunting, ruined the season, no part available for 2 months.

 

[winch]

Right up front I'll tell you that I have NO experience with Uberti.
However, I do have 3 Pietta's and for the price, I'm happy. Especially the SS models.

 

[Melnic]

True UNTIL it's loaded WITH A CAP on it, at that time it is considered a firearm...... for transporting purposes.

I hear people state this all the time but where is this stated? Federal? Link to the statement?

 

[Jimbob2.0]

Right up front I'll tell you that I have experience with Uberti.
However, I do have 3 Pietta's and for the price, I'm happy. Especially the SS models.

To me it comes down to $$$s. The Ubertis I have seen are better, and the Taylor rebranded guns even better. The Pietta's are quality enough in most cases and functional.

Question is what you want. Given the rate of corrosion in blackpowder arms I sort of lean towards cheaper.

BTW the Pietta I ordered above is now up to $299. Ill be curious if Cabelas honors my backorder at $229.

 

[BlackBart]

I hear people state this all the time but where is this stated? Federal? Link to the statement?

Maryland hunting regulations... year after year.

http://www.eregulations.com/maryland/hunting/firearm-regulations/

And I quote...........

Muzzleloaders are considered unloaded if the ignition system is disabled by removal of the cap, primer, battery, or primer powder.

 

[ken792]

I hear people state this all the time but where is this stated? Federal? Link to the statement?

As far as hunting is concerned, a muzzleloader is technically unloaded if there is no primer, percussion cap, or priming powder in/on the gun, even if there is a main charge and projectile in the barrel.

Page 17 Muzzleloader Regulations
http://www.eregulations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/14MDHD_LR.pdf

However, I'm fairly certain that does not mean you can carry one. Even if they are not legally handguns, they are still considered "dangerous weapons" or whatever that category is by MD law.

 

[LGood48]

True UNTIL it's loaded WITH A CAP on it, at that time it is considered a firearm...... for transporting purposes.

I hear people state this all the time but where is this stated? Federal? Link to the statement?

From the COMAR:

§ 5-101

(h) Firearm.-
(1) "Firearm" means:
(i) a weapon that expels, is designed to expel, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; or
(ii) the frame or receiver of such a weapon.
(2) "Firearm" includes a starter gun.

Off hand I would summize that as a BP revolver is "designed" to expel a projectile it does constitute a firearm. IANAL, so don't take this as gospel!

 

[ras_oscar]

How many time can I reload a 6 chamber revolver at the range before I need to clean it, assuming I use the appropriate modern black powder substitute in the appropriate charge?

 

[ken792]

How many time can I reload a 6 chamber revolver at the range before I need to clean it, assuming I use the appropriate modern black powder substitute in the appropriate charge?

It depends on what revolver it is and how you're loading it. Colts tend to handle fouling better than Remingtons due to the open top and much larger cylinder arbor which has grease grooves. The size of the cylinder to forcing cone gap also matters. Smaller gaps will tolerate less fouling. If you're putting grease over the slug in the chambers, that will help soften the fouling. Without grease, my Colt Navy can get about three cylinders with blackpowder before the cylinder gets hard to turn or the slugs get hard to seat. If I wipe down the face of the cylinder with grease or water, then it keeps going. If I put grease over the slug, then it can keep going almost indefinitely. I do have to throw some more grease onto the hammer though so it doesn't get stuck with fouling.

 

[damosan]

Uberti is the way to go.

Better quality.

They make a great '58.

Yes they do...though it seems like the front post on mine is about a mile high.

So...here comes the shoot - file - shoot - file - shoot - file approach to bringing the gun in line.

Other than that it's very reliable. Both of my BP revolvers are Uberti.

D.

 

[tomandjerry00]

My recommendation is get a pitta as your first. Learn if you really love and appreciate bp and upgrade in the future.

No piettas and Umbertis are not on the same quality level, but piettas are far from junk. They are real nice guns that are a ton of fun to shoot. Buy one for $200-300 and you'll never have any regrets.


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[Jimbob2.0]

Sneaky cabelas tried to cancel my backorder. for $229 with extra cylinder and engraved I am not letting them off the hook!

 

[houserocker]

The quality of my Pietta 1858 Remington is top notch. I have owned it for 10 years and it has proven to be a durable, accurate, and fun to shoot revolver. BP shooting is a PITA to many, but I started at a young age with a long gun, and the rituals involved have always been really enjoyable to me.