Army Kills Competition to Replace M4

[Hit and Run]

The Army announced today it is formally concluding its Individual Carbine competition without selecting a winner to replace the M4 Carbine.

“None of the carbines evaluated during the testing phase of the competition met the minimum scoring requirement needed to continue to the next phase of the evaluation,” according to a June 13 Army press release.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/06/13/army-kills-competition-to-replace-m4.html?ESRC=eb.nl

 

[hodgepodge]

Translation: It was looking like a foreign manufacturer might win, so we stopped the competition.

 

[Ab_Normal]

Translation: It was looking like a foreign manufacturer might win, so we stopped the competition.

FN makes the M16, M240, SAW, ...

 

[Lloyd]

FN makes the M16, M240, SAW, ...

...and the next service pistol, the FNX 45

ARMY Brass at their finest.

 

[Name Taken]

So how much money was wasted to "just keep what we got"?

If this was a special allotment then the money should be paid back out of their general fund of sorts.

If it wasn't broke why did they go out looking to fix it.

 

[hvymax]

In a lot of ways a compact select fire platform is a compact select fire platform. Are there newer cooler platforms? Sure. Will they do anything the M4 et al will not do? Not really. I am a huge fan of folding stocks but other than that it would be a huge expense for no real gain.

 

[TxAggie]

So how much money was wasted to "just keep what we got"?

If this was a special allotment then the money should be paid back out of their general fund of sorts.

If it wasn't broke why did they go out looking to fix it.

At least they didn't go into the next stage of tests. Also, don't count out that the "sequester" had something to do with terminating the program, and the fact that RINO'S Chuck Hagel is now SECDEF.

 

[Streetgang]

I swear, you guys would bitch if they made a selection to move away from the M-4. The Army could do no right.

 

[Vic]

My understanding was that the new guns were only marginally better so why spend a billion for that. They are looking for something that will be much better.

Vic

 

[Inigoes]

The Army has been holding these competitions for years looking for the Advanced Combat Rifle. Most of the advancements have come in the optics.

It is far easier and more cost effective to improve upon the existing platform.

I can't wait to see the plasma ray guns that willl get issued next, because there are no ammunition worries.

 

[Billman]

We should blame President Bush

 

[JSW]

more like the "Commander in Chief" is spending all our money on himself so we can not afford things for the the troops or defense of the common people.

 

[jrumann59]

Why drop the 3 round burst off the M-4. I do not see how dropping the 3 rd burst will make shooting it more accurate, semi=accurate, 3 rd burst = slightly accurate, FA = Maybe accurate.

 

[BRONZ]

We only need a larger caliber

 

[Shoobedoo]

We only need a larger caliber

Not exactly.

 

[SCARCQB]

I agree with the US ARMY on this one. Nothing New really offers significant advantage over the m16/m4 platform.

SCAR
HK416
Tavor
ARX
Etc.

Nothing really significant or reliability by decreased accuracy...may as well go with the time and battle proven AK.

Like Inigoes has stated, advancements are in optics . I like the new IARs that the Marines are using. Increased accuracy but decrease in firepower( replacing the m249 ). ACOGs and CCO have really taken the 16 into a superior level.

 

[ST19AG_WGreymon]

If only the XM8 didn't get dropped. :/ Cool looking gun.

 

[aquaman]

I swear, you guys would bitch if they made a selection to move away from the M-4. The Army could do no right.

frankly im shocked no one is claiming the m14 should be brought back, usually comes up in these threads

 

[trbon8r]

Wow, the M4 actually works and works well? Gee who knew? Oh that's right, those of us that own AR type rifles know they work just fine. So the government spent how much money to find out that what we have already have works well?

Without a breakthrough in ammunition or optics, these days a rifle is a rifle. There are many choices and most of them work just fine.

The fact is we live in a pretty boring era for small arms design pending a major technological development. This comes from a guy that is a huge honk for the M14 rifle. It is still a great gun, but in a limited role and not for general issue.

 

[CanDoEZ]

Or an 03 Springfield.

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